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Thank you kindly Kucinta. West London William it is then :-)

Mick, I'm pming you a couple of removal orders for Maria. One, in 1858, indicates husband William died Nov 9th the previous year, ie 1857.

Purely circumstantial, as Maria could have had children that were born and died between censuses, but Maria was born c1814/1815 according to censuses 1851 and 61, yet there are no additional childre with her in 1861, that weren't also there in 1851.

(There are the two grandchildren , but that may be a different story.).

As she would have been approx 36/37 in 1841, and had been reasonably fertile up till then, does the lack of further offspring favour the earlier of the two possible death for William?

I am glad you aren't too hot on the London districts cos I am fairly warm and can give YOU info for once! St Giles without Cripplegate is behind the Museum of London off London Wall. Beautiful old place. I walk there occasionally when I am on one of my City walks at weekends cos it's deserted.

It is certainly nearer than West London to Shoreditch or Bethnal Green. The pronunciation of Keough I would guess, sounds the same as Keogh, Keo, Keoghoe - the latter you do NOT pronounce key OG Ho. It's Key Oh. At least it is in my family. It might imperceptibly differ if you were Irish but most of the variants would sound the same to native Londoners.

I'm not sure. All we know is that Maria was widowed between 1851 and 1861. Even then, a woman might claim she was a widow if her guy went off with another woman.

Could be, though as you say location is a bit out - hadn't noticed that.

There's this one, aged 40.

I'm not very up on London districts, so don't know how feasible it is? More likely than the 1857 one though????

Also not sure how Keough would sound, compared to Keoghoe (my Irish granny would disown me if she could see this!)

Name: William Keough
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1852
Burial Date: 21 Jan 1852
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Giles without Cripplegate
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Register

GRO ref from freebmd

Deaths Mar 1852 KEOUGH William East London 1c 21

So it could be genuine? Although what he's doing over West London I don't know

Mick - age is 0 because age at death was not recorded in the GRO index until some time in the 1860s i think.

So the 0 is probably a default.

Same record on Freebmd:

Deaths Dec 1857 Keoghoe William W. London 1c 34

I wanted to try and verify stuff about William from Guernsey and apart from posting on rootschat.com I checked the one bit of info I could - his death. His year of death was given as 1857 so -

Death Record
Name William Keoghoe
Year of Registration 1857
Quarter of Registration Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District West London
Registration County London
Age at Death: 0
Volume Number 1C
Volume Page 34

Phew eh? :-D

mick

Whoa! I've got to the end. Most of it I put into tree. The origins and records for William 1816 are unsatisfactory. So I think that's the next place of attack. The Lucy family say that William died in West London in 1857. So I shall go have a look.

Titbit - did you notice Joseph Homewood living with Mary Ann his wife at 9 Fox street same address as John Keo jr and Sarah ann Keo on 1871 census?

I am over on rootschat posting as suggested

:-)

mick

@ Rose

Was having trouble sleeping as my asthma was bad - so this provided a great distraction! :-D

Getting up for work this morning was a bit of a struggle though... ;-)

First marriage for widowed Alice Johnson who maried John Keoghoe jr in 1916.

(Her father was George Davis, a deceased table maker on the 1916 marriage)

Name: Alice Davis
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Age: 19
Spouse Name: James Johnson - glass blower
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Apr 1893
Parish: Bethnal Green St Andrew
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: George Davis - cabinet maker
Spouse Father Name: George Johnson - carman
Register Type: Parish Register


Alice's death?

Name: Alice Keoghoe
Birth Date: abt 1875
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1940
Age at Death: 65
Registration District: Shoreditch
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 148

Well they can't do better than this thread with what Kucinta has been finding!!

There seems to be quite a few researching the Keoghoe family on GR

Albert's little half brother was called John - in census 1911 I posted earlier. Could he have been put away as a child?

In that same census 1911 John, Albert's father was claiming to have been married to Alice for two years, so they were already co-habiting, and it suggests they had already had two children and lost one (quick work as Sarah Ann nee Ford had only died in 1909!). Some of Alice's Johnson children are with them, see page one of this thread. So I'm not sure that he 'disappeared'.

He didn't live long after his second marriage was made official in 1916 though. I think this is him:

Deaths Mar 1919 Keoghoe John 59 Shoreditch 1c 114

Albert's brother William died in his late teens, as I posted on page one of this thread Alice Maud died as a young child. I don't know what happened to Lydia, she seems to have disappeared by 1901 but I can't find a death yet

.

Note on death of my grandad Albert - his birthday was indeed March 29th 1889 but he died aged 79 not 80 - on March 28th 1969. He had completed his 80th year but it hadn't turned on the calendar.

Unbelievable stuff, Kucinta. Thank you heaps.

There are three surviving daughters of Albert Keoghoe at the moment. They are on the tree which has not been updated properly yet because you have found just so much information.

The three sisters surviving are Doris, Joan, and Marie. I have spoken to them and the only members of the Keoghoe family that they have heard of are Aunt Em(ily) Snooks. That's it. No William, no Lydia, no one.

I remember Aunt Em Snooks too. She was lovely, like my grandad, and she looked like him too.

Family rumour - Albert had a brother called John who disappeared in 1915 - they think to a mental hospital - never to be seen again. I am wondering if this could be Albert's father John who took up with Alice Johnson? It would be a good way of explaining his disappearance to the rest of the family.

My aunt Marie told me today that she and one of her sisters used to have to go to Bishops Way in Bethnal Green and accompany and elderly chap to Clare Street, where the Keoghoes lived at the time (about 1935) for a dinner prepared by my nan Alice Maud Keoghoe (not Johnson). His name was Walter. But I haven't seen a Walter turn up yet so I doubt he was a family member.

Wow! Kucinta, looking at the times did you sleep at all last night lol ? Great info found there :-)

Census 1911 showed John senior and Caroline only had two children.

Census 1871 shows second child to be William:

Address: Fox Street, Bethnal Green, London County: London, Middlesex

KEOGHO, John Head M 31 1840 Middlesex
KEOGHO, Caroline Wife F 29 1842 Middlesex
KEOGHO, John Son M 11 1860 Middlesex
KEOGHO, William Son M 9 1862 Middlesex

Baptism:

Name: William Keoghoe
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 29 Sep 1861
Father's Name: John Keoghoe
Mother's Name: Caroline Keoghoe
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green St Matthias
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

Marriage:

Name: Mary Ann Dowsett
Spouse Name: William Keoghoe<<<<<<<<<<
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Oct 1883
Parish: Bethnal Green St Andrew
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: William Dowsett
Spouse Father Name: John Keoghoe - cabinet maker.<<<<<<<<<
Register Type: Parish Register

Mick,

it might be worth trying the rootschat forum for help on the Guernsey side of things.

It is free, and they have a dedicated board for: Alderney, Guernsey, Jersey, Sark

You could post the details of William and Maria Keoghoe as born Guernsey circa dates given on census, and say they have been linked to a marriage at St Peter Port 30 July 1835 between William Keoghoe and Maria Brouard, and ask for help in verification of the marriage and tracing the couple further back on the island.

There is someone offering 'help from Guernsey' under' Channel Islands Resources & Offers'

Go to http://www.rootschat.com/ and register, then go to the Forum and look for the board for Alderney, Guernsey, Jersey, Sark and take it from there.

Though if someone on these boards could help with the Guernsey records it would be great! :-D

No evidence but....

First Name: Maria
Last Name: Brouard
Birth Date: 28 August 1815
Birth Place: St. Peter Port, Guernsey
Marriage Date: 30 July 1835
Marriage Place: St. Peter Port, Guernsey
Death Date:
Death Place:
Spouse: William Keoghoe
Parents:
No. Spouses: 1
No. Children: 6


http://baseportal.com/cgi-bin/baseportal.pl?htx=/luceyn/main&localparams=1&db=main&cmd=list&range=5800,20&cmd=all&Id=22602

First Name: William
Last Name: Keoghoe
Birth Date: about 1816
Birth Place: Guernsey
Marriage Date: 30 July 1835
Marriage Place: St. Peter Port, Guernsey
Death Date: 1857
Death Place: West London
Spouse: Maria Brouard
Parents: William Keoghoe<<<<<<<<<
No. Spouses: 1
No. Children: 6
1: Moved to London immediately after marriage
2: It appears that all Keoghoe descendants in England eminate from this marriage in St. Peter Port, Guernsey
3: Occupation: Cabinet maker

http://baseportal.com/cgi-bin/baseportal.pl?htx=/luceyn/main&localparams=1&db=main&cmd=list&range=0,20&First+Name~=william&Last+Name~=keoghoe&cmd=all&Id=25185