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Just for my own sanity.
(And I do agree with ChristinaS)
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Births Mar 1892
Humphrey Emma Tunbridge 2a704
(so a November birth registered in January?)
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England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Emma Cant
Name: Emma Cant
Birth Date: 14 Nov 1891
etc.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
So in December 1912 she really IS 21 years of age.

:-)

Mmm just a pity that the residence of both parties say East Farleigh and not a proper address, its as though neither of them had an address to put down, you would have thought Emma might have put her fathers address at that time, or even her brother Richard (if that's him who is witness)

That sounds good!
And she's more likely to have met William Cant from IoW in London than in Brenchley, I would think.

1911????? Found this Emma?????

AS found by Christina.......


SPONG, Thomas Head Married M 47 1864 Motor Tyre Repairer Maidstone Kent VIEW
SPONG, Emily Wife Married F 38 1873 Stepney London VIEW
SPONG, George Son M 15 1896 School Mile End E VIEW
SPONG, George Nephew M 13 1898 School Stepney VIEW
SPONG, Maisey Daughter F 17 1894 No Occupation Bow London VIEW
SPONG, Daisy Daughter F 18 1893 No Occupation Blackfriars London VIEW
HUMPHRYS, Emma Servant F 20 1891 Domestic Servant Maidstone Kent VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 1178
Reference: RG14PN1178 RG78PN39 RD12 SD1 ED9 SN221
Registration District: St Giles
Sub District: St Giles and Bloomsbury
Enumeration District: 9
Parish: St Giles in the Fields and St George Bloomsbury
Address: 193 Shaftesbury Avenue W C
County: London



Regards Vera

Could your Emma Humphrey be the one on the 1911 census living in Bloomsbury as a servant for a Strong family. She's down as born 1891 in Maidstone.

Transcribed by ancestry as Emma Humphrys aged 20
living with Thomas Shong aged 47

Hi, Nancy -
We haven't found her yet in 1911, but otherwise she seems to be fully documented in all the above posts.

This is the marriage, again:

Marriages Dec 1912 (>99%)
Cant William R D Humphrey Maidstone 2a 1852

East Farleigh is in the Maidstone registration district.
Her age on the cert you have is a little out, but as has been said, there's no Emma Humphrey born in Kent in 1890-1..

OMG guys!! this sounds more like it!!!! On Emma's marriage to William Robert David Cant in 1912 it clearly states it took place at the parish of East Farleigh Kent, father listed as Richard Humphrey "labourer" and Williams father is listed as Henry Joseph Cant " foreman tramway worker" (dec) My understanding was that William Cants father was Henry Thomas Cant "road worker" who was married to Mary Jane Cole, all from the Isle of Wight England...Everyone seems to think that Henry Thomas Cant was also known as Joseph (although I had my doubts) if I could find Henry Joseph Cant as a tramway worker, it may or might not confirm his connection to William Robert David cant who was born 1885 Isle of Wight... I'm sorry to have been such a pain guys over this CONFUSION with Emma Humphrey I just didnt want to leave it the way it is until I was totally convinced. There are far too many mistakes over what appears to be our family when theyr not, I'm sure some of you have been there....But it definitely looks like the same Emma in East Farliegh,, if only we could find her, she wasn't married until 1912...Thanks guys you have all been brilliant. <3

Well done with 1911, Maureen - I couldn't find them anywhere.

Yes, you're right about page 3, 18.47.
The original post (and also 10th May @ 08.53) confused the issue - where Nancy names her as Emma Eliza; I assumed from the marriage cert.

So I'm convinced it's the Brenchley Emma we want.

I agree.

But-I think Nancy said that on the marriage cert to Mr CANT her name is simply Emma (pg 3-18:47).
So-born,married and died as "just Emma".

Rest of her family in 1911:
1911 census transcription details for: Lower St E Farleigh
RG14PN4126 RG78PN160 RD51 SD2 ED12 SN111
Reg. District: Maidstone
Sub District: Loose
Parish: East Farleigh

HUMPHERY, Richard Head Married M 48 1863 Farm Labourer Brenchley Kent
HUMPHREY, Emma Wife F 46 1865 Brenchley Kent
HUMPHREY, Edward Son Single M 24 1887 Plate Layer On Line Brenchley Kent
HUMPHREY, William Son Single M 22 1889 Farm Labour Brenchley Kent
HUMPHREY, Catherine Daughter Single F 21 1890 Brenchley Kent
HUMPHREY, Frank Son Single M 15 1896 Farm Labourer Brenchley Kent
HUMPHREY, Alfreard Son Single M 11 1900 School East Farleigh Kent
HUMPHREY, Thomas Son Single M 5 1906 School East Farleigh Kent

Married 27 years. 9 children-8 still living.

Maureen

Maybe her father's death:

Name: Richard Humphrey
Birth: abt 1864
Death: Mar 1941 - Maidstone, Kent, England

Her brother Richard is the only one of the family I can find in 1911:


1911 England Census about Richard Humphrey
Name: Richard Humphrey
Age in 1911: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Brenchley, Kent
Civil parish: Maidstone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address: 2 Lucerne Street, Maidstone, Kent
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Carman
Registration district: Maidstone
Registration District Number: 51
Sub-registration district: Maidstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 184
Piece: 4136
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Humphrey 26
Florence Humphrey 21

Without any proof of anything one way or the other, it sounds to me like two different Emmas.

One Emma Eliza, with parents Edward and Eliza, but whose existence we can't find except on Nancy's marriage cert..

And the Brenchley Emma with parents Richard and Emma, who is clearly recorded all the way. (At least up to 1901 in censuses, also probably her marriage - to William Cant - and death as Emma Cant.)

I agree with Maureen - I think it's the Brenchley one, and therefore the Tonbridge birth
She has father Richard, and brothers Richard and Edward, as well as other siblings.


But there's something strange somewhere.
To recap:
She is only ever listed as Emma, in BMD records and censuses. Not Emma Eliza.
Nancy says the marriage cert says Emma Eliza, but she's just Emma on the FreeBMD marriage record.

Her mother's Emma, not Eliza.

There's no Emma Humphrey born in Kent in the years Nancy mentioned, and no Emma Eliza between 1885 and 1895 anywhere in England/Wales, let alone Kent.

In fact, there's no sign of an Emma meeting the criteria in Nancy's OP in any record except the marriage cert Nancy has..

I still think it's the Brenchley one-daughter of Richard and Emma birth reg Tunbridge 1892.

She just seems to "fit" perfectly.

Having said that...can anyone spot her in 1911? :-)

Her parents are in East Farleigh but she's not with them.

Maureen

For heavens sakes now I'm getting confused, disregard the Emma Eliza Humphrey it was Eliza Baker...Says on this marriage to Edward Humphrey the witnesses were Frederick Humphrey and Samuel Nichols :-S :-S :-S

Says on the marriage certificate Emma Eliza Humphrey, address for both was 2 Avondale or Stevendale (cant quiet make it out) this was in St Johns Church, Poplar, Middlesex..The marriage for William Cant in 1912 was to Emma Humphrey aged 21 at East Farleigh? Kent lists father as Richard and witnesses were Richard Humphrey and Ellen Green (I think) :-S

Maybe she decided to add the Elizabeth/Eliza later.....who knows........The Tunbridge Reg. area includes Brenchley and Brasted.
Just a thought.

Regards Vera

Hi Vera,

Yes..but..the OP says Emma Eliza Humphrey. That's what I was wondering about.


Moxx

Going back to Emma Humphrey..... The only way to find out if this is your Emma Elizabeth although there is no second name given is to send for a birth certificate..

What about this birth

Births Mar 1892 (>99%)
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Humphrey Emma Tunbridge 2a 704



Regards Vera

Hi Maureen, At this point we are talking about Emma Elizabeths mother ..Eliza maiden name Baker.

Regards Vera