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Elaine, I'm just adding this link to your other thread about Jane Ellen for reference.


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1263249

No clues from the witnesses then?

If that is your Jane Ellen at Kirkdale Industrials School, there may be some info held about her admission at the Liverpool Records Office.

Nice pic by the way. :-)

Dea,I'm sorry,but i haven't a notion how to pass them links on!
Elaine.x

hello,Christina...witnessea at first wedding were James Speakman and Lucie Anderson(sister of Charles,i think...he had a sister,Lucy)
Elaine

Elaine, who were the witnesses for Jane's first marriage?

Lol..not a very good pic,but I'm patting myself on the back for being able to put it up!
Joy Kentish Maid,on here,told me what to do...thnx Joy!

That sounds about right Elaine......

You could also add a link to this thread to say that this is the right connection you think you have found:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1323898?jump=1323898

Dea Xxx

how do i do that?
Just add a post saying i don't think I am looking in the right place,but thanking all who helped me?

Elaine.xx

It is always a shame to delete anythng on here, especially when lots of people have worked so hard on it !!

Perhaps you could just mark it closed as 'found to be unconnected to 'your' family' - that way it will remain there for any future people which it may help ?

Dea Xxx

thankyou Dea..i appreciate that.

i had another thread for this,cos my mum had always said they were welsh evans(methodists,)i was searching in wales!!..for ages!!

now i have found the evans back to 1700s and they never left the area round Bickerstaffe/Ormskirk,etc!!

Now dont know whether to delete the whole other thread,or keep it,but just use this one? If i delete it,i think it would look very disrespectful to people who did an awful lot of "legwork" :-(

You are just like me Elaine - I had a connection which I 'knew' was correct but couldn't prove it at the time.

I built up a whole tree from it but would not connect it to mine until I had the proof.

I think it took me about 2 years but I got there in the end and I was right !!

At least I know that what I have on my tree is correct which is far more satisfying than just 'sticking hundreds of people on' ;-) :-)

Will have a further look at yours this evening !

Dea Xxx

Argyllgran...Yes,that is my grandma....She was baptized Ellen Jane,but was always known as Jane Ellen,and Jane Ellen is on both wedding certs.

I found the Jane Kelly(8) in Kirkdale school in 1901...also found Eliza(6).,William(13) and John Henry(11),but,as you say,they might not be related.

Dea....I have no proof,but that was the only child i could find,called Mary Ann,who was born round the right time...just supposition,thats why I wont add her to my family tree,till I'm certain my facts are right! lol

Elaine.x

Looks like the correct one to me - 9 months old on 2nd April suggests a birth around July so he would have been registered in the September quarter which is the one you have.

This is the detail from Lancs BMD:

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1870
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference

KELLY Thomas Wigan Wigan & Leigh KINIRY WIG/94/457

Dea x

???

Births Sep 1870 (>99%)
KELLY Thomas Wigan 8c 33

Slightly too late in the year to make him 9 months old on 2 April 1871, but ages on censuses are seldom accurate.
It's the most likely birth listed.

Dea,all I have is Ellen Jane (she later used Jane Ellen).,dau of Mary Ann Kelly.4,Canal St...single woman...E.J born 18th Jun 1893.,bapt 30th Aug1893.St Catherine.
On the bapt record it states "father rec as John,but crossed out"
Jane Ellen m Charles Edward Anderson in 1915..he was killed in 1916..on cert(which I have copy of) fathers name and occ blank
When she married my grandad Eli Evans in 1917,she was Jane Ellen Anderson,widow. NOW,father is William Griffiths,collier!(have copy of this cert too)
When grandad was alive,he referred to mi grandmas brothers,but can't rem if he named them.

Argyllgran..I will take another look on Lancs OPC,for this marriage,and also see if there were more children(brothers?!)

All the help is much appreciated..I am trying to trace as much as I can for my aunty(Jane Ellen's dau...she is almost 91)
She was v surprised,and shocked(!)when I told her the other day,that she has a half brother,who died age 6mths,and is buried Ince.

Just gone thro my notes again..I have the Killey family(post above),but I have them down as Kelley.
Also,re the Kinery above...in the 1891 census,a Thomas Kelly lived with his family at 21,Victoria St.,Wigan....boarder living there,was John Kinery.50.,b.Co Clare.,with Margaret.5 and Catherine 3,both born Wigan.

Am leaving this now..were going for a birthday lunch for one of our g/daughters...be back later. :-)

No probs, Dea - wasn't complaining, just clarifying!

Is this your gran, Ellen Jane Kelly.....from Lancs OPC


Baptism: 30 Aug 1893 St Catharine, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Ellen Jane Kelly - [Child] of Mary Ann Kelly, Single woman
Born: 18 Jun 1893
Abode: 4 Canal Street
Notes: [Father's name recorded as 'John' but deleted]
Baptised by: F. W. Boumphrey Curate
Register: Baptisms 1888 - 1893, Page 99, Entry 791
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

Sorry Argyllgran - I keep losing the page to error messages - I DO now see that you have already posted the info I have put above :-0

Still, It does mean we are thinking along the same lines ;-) :-)

What we really need is ALL the info to work backwards from.

Dea Xxx

If Jane Ellen's maiden name was Kelly - (not that it's any help with her mother's or grandparents' names)

???


1901 England Census about Jane Kelly
Name: Jane Kelly
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation: Pauper Inmate (Pauper)
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Kirkdale
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Kirkdale
ED, institution, or vessel: Kirkdale Industrials School
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 3472
Folio: 260
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Kelly 8

(plus large numbers of other children, including other Kellys, not necessarily related.)

EDIT: There are 27 pages to this record - dozens of children.

That's the same as the "Killey" 1871 record I posted.
It links with the Kelly/Kinniry marriage also posted above, and with Dea's mention of Kiniry as possible mms.