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1901 the family have moved, but without Joseph:-
1901 England Census about Thomas Morris
Name: Thomas Morris
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Morris
Gender: Male
Where born: Minshull, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Dutton
Ecclesiastical parish: Little Leigh St Michael and All Angels
Town: Dutton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation: Farmer
Registration district: Runcorn
Sub-registration district: Budworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 11
Piece: 3332
Folio: 32
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Morris 55
Jane Morris 53
John Morris 32
Annie Morris 29
Thomas Morris 28
Mary J Morris 26
George Morris 22
Charles Morris 20
James E Morris 18
Robert Morris 16
Edith Morris 14
Emily Morris 11
.......................so maybe Joseph stayed to look after the farm they were living at in 1891 and name changed to just Moss Side Farm?
Same family in 1911:-
1911 England Census about Jane Morris
Name: Jane Morris
Age in 1911: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Dutton Bartington
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: Marsh House Dutton Warrington
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Runcorn
Registration District Number: 446
Sub-registration district: Budworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 21601
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Morris 66
Jane Morris 63
John Morris 40
Annie Morris 38
Thomas Morris 36
Mary Morris 34
George Morris 32
Charles Morris 30
Edwin Morris 28
Edith Morris 24
Emily Morris 22
married 44yrs. (13 children, 10 living and 3 died)
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Baptisms for some of the children:-
Joseph Morris
England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900
baptême : 30 Jul 1868 Wharton, Cheshire, England
résidence : 30 Jul 1868 , Wharton, Cheshire, England
parents : Thomas Morris, Jane Morris
John Morris
England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900
baptême : 31 Jan 1870 Wharton, Cheshire, England
résidence : 31 Jan 1870 , Wharton, Cheshire, England
parents : Thomas Morris, Jane Morris
Annie Morris
England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900
baptême : 30 Nov 1873 Wharton, Cheshire, England
résidence : 30 Nov 1873 , Wharton, Cheshire, England
parents : Thomas Morris, Jane Morris
Thomas Morris
England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900
baptême : 30 Nov 1873 Wharton, Cheshire, England
résidence : 30 Nov 1873 , Wharton, Cheshire, England
parents : Thomas Morris, Jane Morris
Mary Jane Morris
England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900
baptême : 30 Nov 1876 Wharton, Cheshire, England
résidence : 30 Nov 1876 , Wharton, Cheshire, England
parents : Thomas Morris, Jane Morris
Elenor Morris
England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900
baptême : 30 Nov 1876 Wharton, Cheshire, England
résidence : 30 Nov 1876 , Wharton, Cheshire, England
parents : Thomas Morris, Jane Morris
Eleanor looks to be one of the children who died:-
Deaths Dec 1888 (>99%)
MORRIS Eleanor 14 Runcorn 8a 159
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Thank you to both...I lived in the area the information is covering so I know all these places and they are very close together
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Baptism
Forenames:Joseph
Surname:Morris
Sex:Male
Christening Year:1868
Christening Date:30 Jul 1868
Date of Birth:
Location:Wharton
Father's Forenames:Thomas (Farmer)
Father's Surname:Morris
Mother's Forename:Jane
Mother's Surname:Morris
Parish:
City or Town:Wharton
County:Cheshire
(adds above, if any help!)
Chris :)
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1891 census puts this family in the correct area, so really looking promising!
1891 England Census about Joseph Morris
Name: Joseph Morris
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Morris
Mother's Name: Jane Morris
Gender: Male
Where born: Weaver, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Norton
Ecclesiastical parish: Halton St Mary
Town: Norton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: Higher Moss Side Farm
Occupation: Farmer
Registration district: Runcorn
Sub-registration district: Runcorn
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2831
Folio: 59
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Morris 46
Jane Morris 43
Joseph Morris 23
John Morris 22
Annie Morris 20
Thomas Morris 18
Mary J Morris 16
George Morris 13
Charles Morris 11
James E Morris 9
Robert Morris 6
Edith Morris 4
Emely Morris 2
Michael Teevinin 25
Michael Reidl 19
................even down to the address of the farm!
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sounds promising, especially the Wharton connection with siblings...will keep going
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I know this one states born Weaver:-
1881 England Census about Joseph Morris
Name: Joseph Morris
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Morris
Mother's Name: Jane Morris
Gender: Male
Where born: Weaver, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Mere
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: Mere Home Farm
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Altrincham
Sub-registration district: Knutsford
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3511
Folio: 72
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Morris 36 born: Baddington, Cheshire (Farmer Employing 3 Men)
Jane Morris 33 born: Church Coppenwell, Cheshire
Joseph Morris 14
John Morris 12 born: Walton, Cheshire
Anna Morris 10 born: Wharton, Cheshire
Thomas Morris 8 born: Wharton, Cheshire
Mary Jane Morris 6 born: Wharton, Cheshire
Eleanor Morris 4 born: Wharton, Cheshire
George Morris 2 born: Audlem, Cheshire
Charles Morris born: Mere, Cheshire
Frances Buckley 20
William Brown 46
Michael Sweeny 20
................but all other siblings are noted as being born Wharton, so worth considering!
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The Congleton Joseph was married in 1891:-
1891 England Census about Joseph Morris
Name: Joseph Morris
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Nancy A Morris
Gender: Male
Where born: Congleton, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Chorlton on Medlock
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation: Pork Butcher
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Chorlton upon Medlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3186
Folio: 13
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Morris 24
Nancy A Morris 23
Joseph T Morris 7/12
Emily Dodd 18
..............and was a pork butcher, so looks as though you can rule that one out.
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I used ancestry for census records
All the other household members in both 1901 and 1911 cenus are either servants, boarders or visitors who look to be children of the servants, so not relatives of Joseph.
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will check these out on Cheshire/Northwich indexes
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Only 3 birth records for Joseph Morris 1869 +/- 1yr:-
Births Jun 1867 (>99%)
Morris Joseph Northwich 8a 255 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Births Dec 1867 (>99%)
Morris Joseph Congleton 8a 235
Births Jun 1868 (>99%)
MORRIS Joseph Gt. Boughton 8a 4070
At this time Nothwich was the registration district for Wharton!
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Hi, thanks for getting back to me and your research! The top section all seems to fit, birth place was Wharton Cheshire and my auntie tells me that he deffinitely lived on moss side....difference from 1911 census is that the householders names are different, on 1911 there were three `Bish` members and two Keelty, it sounds promising, which search engine did you use to find the above?
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What about this one?
1901 England Census about Joseph Morris
Name: Joseph Morris
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Wharton, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Norton
Ecclesiastical parish: Halton St Mary
Town: Norton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: Moss Side
Occupation: Farmer
Condition as to marriage: Single
Registration district: Runcorn
Sub-registration district: Runcorn
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 49
Piece: 3333
Folio: 50
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Morris 33
Joseph Ball 46
Margt Ball 39
Wm Ball 14
Annie Ball 11
James Towey 28
Richard Grady 240
..................looks to be the same one from 1911 census!
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Sorry having loads of problems with my computer so not very quick.
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still trying to trace joseph morris using 1869 as date of birth
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do you think I have the wrong Joseph? I used Ancestry 1911 census, hence Joseph being 49 at that time, all the other names appear the same and their ages are the same?
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Findmypast version of 1911 census:-
MORRIS, Joseph Head Single M 42 1869 Farmer Cheshire Wharton VIEW
BISH, Robert William Servant Married M 47 1864 Waggoner On Farm Sussex Haywood Heath VIEW
BISH, Jane Ellen Servant Married15 years F 45 1866 Housekeeper Lancs Liverpool VIEW
BISH, James Arthur Visitor M 10 1901 School Cheshire Bowdon VIEW
KEELTY, John Servant Single M 29 1882 Farm Labourer Sligo Keash VIEW
KEELTY, Martin Servant Single M 27 1884 Cowman On Farm Sligo Keash VIEW
RG number: RG14 Piece: 21619 Reference: RG14PN21619 RD446 SD2 ED3 SN33 Registration District: Runcorn Sub District: Runcorn Enumeration District: 3 Parish: Address: Moss Side Moore Warrington County: Cheshire
........................posting because this show Joseph as aged 42yrs and born 1869.
Have checked original and age does look like 42yrs., which changes everything as far as Joseph is concerned.
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Oh well, marriage posted by Chris seems to confirm that it is not your Mary Jane but at least we can rule that one out.
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I realise it is speculation but the Hayes/Hetherington combination just rings true, when i have asked my older relatives about the history they just say that they didn`t really ask questions but just accepted things that were said, I am so pleased that you made contact
Jo
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Off to get tea ready now, but will look in later. :-)
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