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PricklyHolly
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5 Apr 2013 20:50 |
Hi Strebor
I think you have that muddled............it is Margaret Jane (Daughter of Elizabeth Jane) that has an illegitimate Daughter Elizabeth Mary.
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5 Apr 2013 14:23 |
Can't thank all of you enough for this massive information. Firstly in respect of getting a profile name. I needed to log off and then back on and it works!!!! Secondly for all the hard work to find the name Cryan. I think you might be right in respect of Elizabeth Jane having an illegitimate child called Elizabeth Mary and it certainly throws some light on it. I will definitely chase this up and thanks once again for all your help.
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5 Apr 2013 12:08 |
This is possibly Margaret Jane mistranscribed in the 1881 census........
1881 England Census about Margaret Crone Name: Margaret Crone Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Willington, Durham, England Civil parish: Willington County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address: 40 High Street Masons Arms Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: General Servant Registration district: Durham Sub-registration district: St Oswald ED, institution, or vessel: 49 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4959 Folio: 102 Page Number: 30 Household Members: Name Age William Mowbray 30 Isabella Mowbray 26 Lilley Mowbray 1 Margaret Crone 17 (General Servant)
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5 Apr 2013 11:44 |
Looking back then.........it would seem that Margaret Jane's marriage to John Moore was her first marriage and that Elizabeth Mary Cryan is her illegitimate daughter.
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5 Apr 2013 10:56 |
1861 England Census about Bridget Crine Name: Bridget Crine Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Patrick Crine Mother's Name: Elizabeth Crine Gender: Female Where born: Willington, Durham, England Civil parish: Willington County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Durham Sub-registration district: St Oswald ED, institution, or vessel: 21h and 21a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 261 Piece: 3739 Folio: 103 Page Number: 48 Household Members: Name Age Patrick Crine 34 (Ireland) Labourer Elizabeth Crine 29 (Ireland) Elizabeth Crine 8 (Huddersfield Yorkshire) Bridget Crine 5 (Willington Durham) Mary Ann Crine 3 (Willington Durham) Margaret Jane Crine 1 (Willington Durham) John Heegan 40 (Boader) Daniel Scally 19 (Boarder)
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5 Apr 2013 10:45 |
Household transcription 1911 census Address: Vicarage Lowick Beal
SMITH, Harry Butler Head Married15 years M 45 1866 Clerk In Holy Orders Vicar Lancashire Lancaster VIEW SMITH, Anne Wife Married15 years F 42 1869 Yorkshire Leeds VIEW SMITH, Harry Butler Son M 11 1900 Durham Durham VIEW MOORE, Christiana Servant Single F 25 1886 Cook Domestic Durham Langley Moor VIEW ISALEY, Margaret Servant Single F 29 1882 Housemaid Domestic Durham Leedgate VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 31153 Reference: RG14PN31153 RG78PN1783 RD568 SD1 ED8 SN21 Registration District: Glendale Sub District: Ford Enumeration District: 8 Parish: Lowick Address: Vicarage Lowick Beal County: Northumberland
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5 Apr 2013 10:30 |
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Rose E Cryan Name: Rose E Cryan Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1866 Registration district: Durham Inferred County: Durham Volume: 10a Page: 326 ??
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Rose Ellen Cryan Name: Rose Ellen Cryan Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1879 Age at Death: 12 Registration district: Durham Inferred County: Durham Volume: 10a Page: 176
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5 Apr 2013 10:23 |
Household transcription 1911 census Person: CRYAN, Thomas Address: 11 Hutton Terrace Willington Durham
MIDDLEMAS, Joseph Head Married M 67 1844 Check Weighman Colliery Above Ground Craghead Durham VIEW MIDDLEMAS, Isabela Wife Married48 years F 66 1845 Spital Tongues Durham VIEW CRYAN, Thomas Boarder Single M 36 1875 Coal Miner Hewer Willington Durham VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 29941 Reference: RG14PN29941 RG78PN1732 RD551 SD1 ED19 SN62 Registration District: Durham Sub District: Brandon Enumeration District: 19 Parish: Willington Address: 11 Hutton Terrace Willington Durham County: Durham
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Vicci
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5 Apr 2013 01:22 |
Patrick Cryan died 1899 age 65
can't find death of Elizaebth 1881-1891
Joseph Cryan died 1893 age 20
Thomas Cryan still in Willington in 1901
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5 Apr 2013 01:14 |
so it appears the Cryon's came from Longford Ireland
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5 Apr 2013 01:12 |
1891 CRYON, Patrick Head Widower M 59 1832 Mason Labourer Langford, Longford CRYON, Joseph Son Single M 19 1872 Coal Miner Willington, Durham CRYON, Thomas Son Single M 15 1876 Coal Miner Willington, Durham FORD, Margaret J Servant Single F 23 1868 General Servant Domestic Willington, Durham FORD, Robert Son M 4 1887 Crook, Durham
Piece: 4102
Folio: 96
Page: 21
Registration District: Durham
Civil Parish: Willington
Municipal Borough:
Address: 8, Burn Place, Willington
County: Durham
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5 Apr 2013 01:10 |
Births Mar 1873 (>99%) CRYAN Joseph Durham 10a 440 Births Dec 1875 (>99%) CRYAN Thomas Durham 10a 383 Births Dec 1876 (>99%) CRYAN Peter Sunderland 10a 682
1881 mistranscribed
CROSIE, Patrick Head Married M 56 1825 Labourer Ireland VIEW CROSIE, Elizabeth Wife Married F 53 1828 Ireland VIEW CROSIE, Joseph Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar Willington, Durham VIEW CROSIE, Thomas Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar Willington, Durham VIEW
Piece: 4959
Folio: 95
Page: 15
Registration District: Durham
Civil Parish: Willington
Municipal Borough:
Address: 8, Burn Place, Willington
County: Durham
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5 Apr 2013 00:41 |
elizabeth cryan b. 1853 Yorkshire married Matthew Dover in 1877
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5 Apr 2013 00:35 |
looks like
cryan children patrick rose ellen bridget died prior to 1881
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5 Apr 2013 00:19 |
Struggling to find the family in the 1881 census.
Will check back tomorrow.
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5 Apr 2013 00:09 |
looks like florence moore died 1894
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4 Apr 2013 23:38 |
A great find Vicci!
1901 England Census about Christiana Moore Name: Christiana Moore Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887 Relation: Granddaughter Father's Name: John Moore Mother's Name: Margt Jane Moore Gender: Female Where born: Langley Moor, Durham, England Civil parish: Brandon and Byshottles Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Durham Sub-registration district: St Oswald ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 179 Piece: 4677 Folio: 172 Page Number: 27 Household Members: Name Age John Moore 69 John Moore 33 (Son) Margt Jane Moore 34 (Daughter in Law) Christiana Moore 14
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4 Apr 2013 23:02 |
1871 Name: Margaret J Cryan Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Patrick Cryan Mother's Name: Elizabeth Cryan Gender: Female Where born: Wellington, Durham, England Civil parish: Willington Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Durham Sub-registration district: St Oswald ED, institution, or vessel: 34 Household schedule number: 122 Piece: 4965 Folio: 131 Page Number: 25 Household Members: Name Age Patrick Cryan 49 Elizabeth Cryan 40 Elizabeth Cryan 18 Bridget Cryan 15 Mary Ann Cryan 13 Margaret J Cryan 6 Rose E Cryan 4 Patrick Crisan 1 John Mc Geeny 35 James McDonald 36 Patrick Lambe 34 Peter Lambe 27
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4 Apr 2013 22:48 |
note from above previous post
1871 Census Durham Margaret J. O'Ryan [Cryan] abt 1865 1871 Willington
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4 Apr 2013 22:39 |
1891 I wonder if this is her...note marriage of margaret jane cryon to John Moore in 1886..so mother may have remarried
Name: Elizabeth M Moore Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: John Moore Mother's Name: Margaret J Moore Gender: Female Where born: Brandon, Durham, England Civil parish: Brandon Ecclesiastical parish: St Johns County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Durham Sub-registration district: St Oswald ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4097 Folio: 17 Page Number: 28 Household Members: Name Age John Moore 26 Margaret J Moore 27 Elizabeth M Moore 5 Christena Moore 4 Florence Moore 10/12
Marriages Sep 1886 (>99%)
CRYON Margaret Jane Durham 10a 451 MOORE John Durham 10a 451
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