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Gwyn in Kent....sorry thought it was listed in thread
Martha was married 3 times
1. Raymond Bishop 1895, Faringdon - 3 children. Raymond passed away.
2. George Dean - 1899, Faringdon, 4 children and by the 1911 census Martha lists herself as a widow so need to try and find a possible death record for George.
3. William Brakspear - 1812 - Faringdon - 3 children

So really just trying to track down George Dean, any records really

Many thanks, Sarah

Looking at FreeBMD - I cannot find a birth for just a George Dean in Southampton for 1866/67. Still just the George HW Dean which does now seem to be a different man.

On Ancestry I can see 2 possible matches for a George Dean based on age and birthplace. Is anyone free to look these up for me and post details at all please?

1871 - George Dean - age 6 - estimated birth year 1865 - Southampton, Hampshire. Registration district Fordingbridge.

1871 census - George Dean - age 4 - estimated birth year 1867 - Southampton,. Registration district Portsea Island.

I cannot view so cannot see any parent details
Thank you

George in Fordingbridge is an inmate in Shaftesbury Street Union Workhouse.
Other DEAN people listed in there are
Amelia..... Married..35..servant
Mary 11
Martha 9
Amelia 7
Kate 11
Rosa 11 months
..........All born Southampton.

1871 at 71 Hereford Street

Name: George Dean
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Catherine Dean
Gender: Male
Where born: Southampton, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish: Kingston St Mary and Portsea
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Landport
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 182
Piece: 1140
Folio: 74
Page Number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
Catherine Dean 28 ....married b. Portsea
George Dean 4
Charles Dean 2 ...b. Landport

Thank you. How annoying no father listed with them...grrr....this is a tricky one indeed.

1881

This may be the one who was in Portsmouth in 1871...?
Name: George Dean
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Kate White
Gender: Male
Where born: Southampton, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Southampton St Mary
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address: 7 St Georges Court
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Lab Dock

Registration district: Southampton
Sub-registration district: Southampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1210
Folio: 23
Page Number: 39
Household Members: Name Age
Kate White 39
George Dean 16
Charles Dean 13
Harriet Dean 9
James White 16
George White 11
William White 9
Kate White 4
Fanny White 1


Kate is a widow washerwoman b. Portsea. All the others are shown b. Southampton

Thank you. Yeah thinks its the same lady Kate/Catherine. I did have her pencilled in as George's Mother originally but her marriage on Freebmd is to a George Dean Dec 1863, Portsea and not a William Dean? Confused.com

Yes... I thought the same..........

Do you know of anyway to search for William Dean's death. I know we don't have a year but would the occupation be listed at all? Could only narrow it down between 1866 to 1899, possibly Farringdon or Southampton though so actually as i'm typing this, I'm thinking no.

Re. The 1871 Fordingbridge census, I noted that there was Mary who should show in 1861, so looked for the family

1861
Name: Emelia Dean
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William H Dean
Gender: Female
Where born: South Stoneham, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: South Stoneham
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Southampton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: South Stoneham
Sub-registration district: South Stoneham
ED, institution, or vessel: 8l
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Piece: 682
Folio: 83
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
William H Dean 28
Emelia Dean 27
William Dean 3
Mary Ann Dean 2


They are all born South Stoneham ( an area of Southampton)
William is a House painter

Looking for a marriage to go with this, I was wondering about this one...

Marriages Dec 1866

DEAN William H ..S. Stoneham 2c 120
STONE Amelia .. S. Stoneham 2c 120

So.... could George and Mary at least have been registered STONE and that's why we couldn't find a good birth match?

eg.
Births Dec 1864

Stone George Henry ... S Stoneham 2c 60

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Births Dec 1865

Stone George ... S. Stoneham 2c 44

Gwyn

Sorry only just been able to catch up with this, had to sign off in a hurry as my son's rabbit escaped down the road!!
Anyway thanks everso for all of this new information. Can certainly see your reasoning and like you say it would make sense why we cannot find birth matches.

I've gone through all the children's names listed above for the Fordingbridge on the 1861 and 1871 notes above and these are the only possibilities I can find:
William H Dean birth 1857 - South Stoneham (nothing under Stone)
Mary Ann Dean - no birth under Dean but a Mary Ann Stone 1859 - S Stoneham
George Dean - George Stone the same 2 listed above 1865 S Stoneham
Martha Dean -Martha Stone birth 1861 - S Stoneham (nothing under Dean)
Amelia - can't find under Dean or Stone
Kate - can't find under Dean or Stone

As Amelia and William didn't marry until 1866 the children go off been registered under mother's maiden name Stone but not that consistent for all.

Having trouble finding any of them on any future census reports especially Amelia and her husband William.

Any ideas please would be great.
Many thanks

Ah just seen a Amelia Dean on the 1891 census - born 1832, Hampshire, residence 1891 Southampton, Hampshire.
Is anyone free to look this one up please?

This one?

REED, George H Head Married M 30 1861 Mariner Southampton, Hampshire
REED, Amelia Wife Married F 20 1871 Highfield, Hampshire
REED, Francis L Daughter Single F 8 1883 Scholar St Denys, Hampshire
REED, George H Son Single M 7 1884 Scholar St Denys, Hampshire
REED, Frederick C Son Single M 5 1886 Scholar Southampton, Hampshire
REED, Rose A Daughter Single F 3 1888 Scholar Southampton, Hampshire
REED, Harry F Son Single M 1 1890 Southampton, Hampshire
DEAN, Amelia Mother In Law Widow F 59 1832 Highfield, Hampshire

Piece: 915 Folio: 99 Page: 41
Registration District: Southampton
Civil Parish: Southampton
Municipal Borough: Southampton

Address: 3, George Street, Southampton County: Hampshire

I think this is the same family in 1911 but wife Amelia's birth year quite different:

REED, George Henry Head Married 29 years M 50 1861 Master Mariner Hants Southampton
REED, Amelia Wife Married F 48 1863 Hants Southampton
REED, William Blandford Son Single M 17 1894 Drayman Hants Southampton
REED, Stella May Daughter Single F 15 1896 Hants Southampton
REED, Arthur Clarence Son Single M 13 1898 School Hants Southampton

RG number: RG14 Piece: 5935
Reference: RG14PN5935 RG78PN273A RD99 SD1 ED1 SN292
Registration District: Southampton
Sub District: Southampton Eastern
Enumeration District: 1
Parish: Portswood

Address: Hazeldene Ashtree Road Bitterne Park Southampton County: Hampshire

This is likely the marriage of George & Amelia jr

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1881
DEAN Amelia Southampton 2c 10 <<
FRY Ann Southampton 2c 10
REED George Henry Southampton 2c 10 <<
Thornton Alfred William Southampton 2c 10

Thankyou MarieCeleste

Thanks to all who have helped on this one. Sadly think I'm going to have to leave this branch uncompleted as still cannot find any George Dean with his father William Dean 100% so cant take it any further.
Thanks again though