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CLAPHAM HERBERT M 1872 39 North Bierley
CLAPHAM ANNIE E F 1877 34 North Bierley
CLAPHAM ALBERT M 1898 13 North Bierley
CLAPHAM MAURICE M 1903 8 North Bierley

but I cannot find a place of birth for Herbert or Annie. Neither can I find them getting married. Does the full 1911 census provide any clues please?

Many thanks,
Frances

1911 census transcription details for: 30 Back Field Thornton
Print Close National Archive Reference:
RG14PN26608 RG78PN1533 RD497 SD4 ED2 SN189
Reg. District: North Bierley
Sub District: Thornton
Parish: Thornton
Enum. District: 2
Address: 30 Back Field Thornton
County: Yorkshire (West riding)

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
CLAPHAM, Herbert Head Married M 39 1872 School Caretaker Halifax Yorks
CLAPHAM, Annie E Wife Married
13 years F 34 1877 Kelfield Yorks
ARCHER, Mary Sister In Law Single F 29 1882 Weaver Kelfield Yorks
CLAPHAM, Albert Son M 13 1898 Bobbin Pegger Kelfield Yorks
BROWN, Dorothy Boarder F 12 1899 Worsted Spinner York Yorks
CLAPHAM, Maurice Son M 8 1903 School Boy Thornton Yorks

George

Frances, is North Bierley where they were living in 1911 and is it in Bradford?

1911 Census Household Record
Household information
Address 30 Back Field Thornton
Parish Thornton
Town Back Field Thornton
Type of Building Private House
Number of Rooms 4
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN26608 RG78PN1533 RD497 SD4 ED2 SN189
Administrative County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Registration District North Bierley
Registration Sub District Thornton
Enumeration District 2
Householder 1
Name Herbert Clapham
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition / Years Married Married
Gender M
Age 39
Estimated Year of Birth 1872
Occupation School Caretaker
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Halifax Yorks
Householder 2
Name Annie E Clapham
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Condition / Years Married Married / 13 Years
Total Children Born Alive 3
Children Still Living 2
Children Who Have Died 1
Gender F
Age 34
Estimated Year of Birth 1877
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Kelfield Yorks
Householder 3
Name Mary Archer
Relationship to Head of Household Sister In Law
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender F
Age 29
Estimated Year of Birth 1882
Occupation Weaver
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Industry Worsted
Place of Birth Kelfield Yorks
Householder 4
Name Albert Clapham
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 13
Estimated Year of Birth 1898
Occupation Bobbin Pegger
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Industry Worsted
Place of Birth Kelfield Yorks
Householder 5
Name Dorothy Brown
Relationship to Head of Household Boarder
Gender F
Age 12
Estimated Year of Birth 1899
Occupation Worsted Spinner
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth York Yorks
Householder 6
Name Maurice Clapham
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 8
Estimated Year of Birth 1903
Occupation School Boy
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Thornton Yorks

1881 England Census
about Herbert Clapham
Name: Herbert Clapham
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Dawson Clapham
Gender: Male
Where born: Halifax, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Northowram
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 8 Elgin St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Halifax
Sub-registration district: Northowram
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4422
Folio: 97
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Dawson Clapham 33
Elisa E. Ashworth 35
Herbert Clapham 9
Harriet Clapham 6
John Clapham 2

Marriage

MarriageFinder™: Herbert Ashworth Clapham married Annie Elizabeth Archer [?]
Name: CLAPHAM, Herbert Ashworth
Registration district: [?] York
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1897
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name Not available before 1912
Volume no: [?] 9D
Page no: [?] 21

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Name: ARCHER, Annie Elizabeth
Registration district: York
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1897
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 9D
Page no: 21


George

Thank you George and Potty, North Bierley is on the outskirts of Bradford. I shall have to go and look on the map for Kelfield

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about Herbert Ashworth Clapham
Name: Herbert Ashworth Clapham
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1897
Registration district: York
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 21


Annie Elizabeth Archer Apr-May-Jun 1897 York Yorkshire East Riding

Herbert Ashworth Clapham Apr-May-Jun 1897 York Yorkshire East Riding

Sorry I was late in posting but I have the grand prix on!!!!!!

No wonder I couldn't remember Kelfield, it's near Selby, well away from Bradford.

I did see the Herbert Ashworth marriage but York seems to be quite a distance away for either of them so I was hoping something better might turn up. There does not seem to be a 1901 census to compare the family.

1891 England Census
about Annie E Archer
Name: Annie E Archer
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Kelfield, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Castleford
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Castleford
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Pontefract
Sub-registration district: Castleford
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3764
Folio: 12
Page Number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Seller 40
Ethel M Seller 7
Annie C Seller 5
Edwin W Seller 2
Florence S Huntress 23
Annie E Archer 14 ***************************

It is the right year for the birth of their first child though Frances.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Annie Elizabeth Archer
Name: Annie Elizabeth Archer
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1876
Registration district: Selby
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 778

Thank you Mel. The facts are there but they do seem to be getting around a bit! Presumably Annie went back to her mother's for the the birth of Albert. Quite a trek from Thornton.
I am going to have to put some heavy concentration into this one.....

There were four siblings baptised the same day so some would be older:

West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910

Name: Herbert Clapham
Parish: Halifax, Haley Hill, All Souls
Baptism Date: 23 Jun 1881
Father's Name: Dawson Clapham - a stone mason
Mother's name: Eliza Emma Ashworth Clapham

Their address was Booth Town Road

The other siblings baptised were Sarah Ashworth, Harriett and John. No actual birthdates given. The parents obviously saved them up and had them done as a job lot.

Note the Ashworth connection, this is the right area going by Herbert's birthplace on census.

(Frances - are those rock cakes not ready yet?)

EDIT: Just realised the baptisms are the day after the parent's (bigamous) marriage.

On the 1901 Herbert has a different occupation:

CLAPHAM, Herbert Head Married M 30 1871 Stone Quarryman Halifax, Yorkshire
CLAPHAM, Annie E Wife Married F 24 1877 Kelfield, Yorkshire
CLAPHAM, Albert Son Single M 3 1898 Kelfield, Yorkshire

Piece: 4178 Folio: 20 Page: 31
Registration District: North Bierley
Civil Parish: Thornton

Address: 20, Industry Street, Thornton County: Yorkshire (West riding)

Just had a look at the actual 1911 amd Mary Archer is with them Sister in Law single.

1911 England Census
about Annie E Clapham
Name: Annie E Clapham
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hilfield, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Thornton
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 30 Back Field Thornton
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: North Bierley
Registration District Number: 497
Sub-registration district: Thornton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 26608
Household Members: Name Age
Hubert Clapham 39
Annie E Clapham 34
Mary Aisher 29 *******reads Archer SIL single bornsame place as Albert and his mum Annie but mistranscribed as Hilfield
Albert Clapham 13
Dorothy Browm 12
Maurice Clapham 8

Thank you MarieCeleste. Presumably Dawson and Eliza were before their time in having a load of children without bothering to get married.

I was a bit concerned that the rock buns might have gone stale during transfer so I have eaten them in your stead. Plus brushing milk on them made me think that you had confused them with scones (pronounced by my mother as scons (true Yorkshire)

Where were these rocks cakes then, on another thread?????????

I did'nt see any on this thread :-( :-( :-(

Yes Mel, Frances offering them earlier in the week!

This may be why the kids were all christened 1881:

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935

Name: Dawson Clapham - widower, a stonemason
Age: Full Age
Marriage or Bann Date: 22 Jun 1881
Parish: Halifax, Haley Hill, All Souls
Father's Name: William Clapham - carpet weaver
Spouse's Name: Eliza Emma Ashworth Chapman, spinster
Spouse's Father's Name: William Chapman - a dyer

Witnesses: James Ashworth and Frances Broadbent.

Address for both bride and groom was Elgin Street, Booth Town Road. The marriage record has them both as full age but the banns has them both as 34.

EDIT: He was NOT a widower!! First wife Sarah alive and kicking on later census.