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Alison
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17 Mar 2013 03:59 |
Hi, Trying to find more information on Eli Jacobs born England and wife Elizabeth born Canada....Found Living in Canada 1871 1881 ......There daughter Fanny moved to england betwen 1881 and 1891..I cant find any travel records for her.
Wondering if someone could please have a look 1891 census Canada or any other details from other census .I do not have full membership of Ancestry so not sure what details are given on these.
The family are in Canada 1871 & 1881 Eli Jacobs born 1833 England Elizabeth Jacobs born 1840 Canada William born 1862 Nova scotia Fanny b 1869 '' "" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eli Jacobs Canada Census, 1891 birth: 1833 England residence: 1891 St Stephen, Charlotte, New Brunswick, Canada ............................................................................................................................... I think Eli could have been born in Wiltshire parents William Jacobs and Harriet..he appears on 1841 census and 1851..then seems to vanish from the uk.
There is also Elijah Jacobs that migrated to Canada in 1883. whom I think could be Eli's brother.
Any help on this would be great. Thanking you Alison
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Gai
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17 Mar 2013 04:33 |
This could be the family in 1891
Name: Eli Jacobs Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Age: 58 Birth Year: abt 1833 Birthplace: England Relation to Head of House: Head Religion: Church of England French Canadian: No Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Jacobs Father's Birth Place: England Mother's Birth Place: England Province: New Brunswick District Number: 13 District: Charlotte Subdistrict: St Stephen Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Eli Jacobs 58 Elizabeth Jacobs 52 William Jacobs 27
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Alison
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17 Mar 2013 04:38 |
Hi Gai,
Yes definatley them.....thank you. Does the transcription on any census give any other details ?...eg migration dates how long they have been married!
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Gai
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17 Mar 2013 04:41 |
Hi Alison, I should be able to send you the 1891 census.
I can't seem to locate them in the 1901 census or Fanny's arrival details.
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Gee
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17 Mar 2013 09:18 |
There is this for a possible Eli birth
England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 Name: Eli Jacob Gender: Male Christening Date: 14 Jul 1833 Christening Place: Figheldean, Wiltshire, England Father's Name: William Jacob Mother's name: Harriet 1851 England Census Name: Eli Jacob Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Jacob Mother's name: Harriet Jacob Gender: M (Male) Where born: Figheldean, Wiltshire, England Civil parish: Figheldean County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Registration district: Amesbury Sub-registration district: Orcheston ED, institution, or vessel: 8a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 21 Piece: 1845 Folio: 211 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age William Jacob 58 Harriet Jacob 52 Jonathan Jacob 25 Uriah Jacob 22 Eli Jacob 17 Arthur Jacob 16 Albert Jacob 7 1841 England Census Name: Elisha Jacobs Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 [1833] Gender: Male Where born: Wiltshire, England Civil parish: Figheldean Hundred: Amesbury County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Registration district: Amesbury Sub-registration district: Amesbury Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1165 Book: 8 Folio: 11 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age William Jacobs 45 Harriet Jacobs 40 Charles Jacobs 15 Frances Jacobs 15 Uriah Jacobs 12 Josiah Jacobs 10 Elisha Jacobs 18 Arthur Jacobs 6 Emanual Jacobs 1
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Gai
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17 Mar 2013 09:49 |
Gins,
I sent the 1891 census to Alison by pm and asked how she knew that Fanny returned to England.
Apparently Fanny married 1894 to a Frank Mould in Wiltshire.
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Gee
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17 Mar 2013 09:57 |
Gai
I saw that marriage but I also saw a US census with Fanny Farnsworth b CA and husband Frank, father Eli Jacobs
There are also shipping records with an Elizabeth Jacobs, listed as blind and going to stay with Fanny Farnsworth in the US
Maybe it's just coincidence?
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Gee
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17 Mar 2013 10:10 |
1901 Census of Canada Name: Elizabeth Jacobs Gender: Female Marital Status: Married Age: 60 Birth Day & Month: 16 Jan Birth Year: 1841 Birthplace: Nb Relation to Head of House: Head Racial or Tribal Origin: Irish Nationality: Canadian Religion: Episcopalian Province: New Brunswick District: Charlotte District Number: 15 Sub-District: St Stephen (Town/Ville) Sub-District Number: P-3 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Jacobs 60 <<<<<<<<<<Blind
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Gai
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17 Mar 2013 10:22 |
Gins, that's an interesting development about Fanny.
I have searched all the Incoming into the UK and can't find any record of Fanny at all.
Hopefully Alison can give us some concrete proof about the marriage she believes to be the Fanny she is looking for.
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Gee
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17 Mar 2013 10:25 |
Just posting this for ref, saves me going back and forth
1900 United States Federal Census Name: Fannie E Farnsworth [Sannie E Farnsworth] [Fannie E Jacobs] Age: 29 Birth Date: Jul 1870 Birthplace: Canada [Canada English] Home in 1900: Fitchburg Ward 3, Worcester, Massachusetts [Worcester] Race: White Gender: Female Immigration Year: 1889 Relation to Head of House: Wife Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Frank E Farnsworth Marriage Year: 1889 Years Married: 11 Father's Name: Eli Jacobs Father's Birthplace: Canada English Mother's Birthplace: Canada, England Mother: number of living children: 1 Mother: How many children: 1 Occupation: View on Image Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Frank E Farnsworth 32 Fannie E Farnsworth 29 Mabel E Farnsworth 10 Eli Jacobs 66
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Gee
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17 Mar 2013 10:27 |
Massachusetts, Town and Vital Records, 1620-1988 about Fannie E Jacobs Name: Fannie E Jacobs Birth Date: abt 1869 Event Type: Marriage Event City: Framingham Marriage Date: 12 Jun 1889 Marriage Age: 20 Father Name: Eli Jacobs Mother Name: Elizabeth Spouse Name: Frank E Farnsworth Spouse Marriage Age: 21 Spouse Father Name: Adrial Spouse Mother Name: Lucinda
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MarieCeleste
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17 Mar 2013 10:42 |
Link to the image of that marriage: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12314-28259-49?cc=1469062&wc=6961475
Frank was a barber and born Maine, Fannie was born New Brunswick
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Gai
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17 Mar 2013 10:44 |
Gins,
I have sent Alison a pm telling her about the information you have found.
I believe she is helping a friend with her research so hopefully she comes back to the thread soon.
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MarieCeleste
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17 Mar 2013 10:50 |
This must be the 1911 for the Fanny referred to who married Frank Mould:
MOULD, Frank Head Married7 years M 42 1869 Wood Cutter Wiltshire MOULD, Fany Wife Married F 45 1866 Novatiotia Resident MOULD, Frances Stephen George Son Single M 16 1895 Wood Cutter Lankhall Batts Somerset MOULD, Stephen Son M 14 1897 Coal Miner Hewer Lankhall Batts Somerset MOULD, John Son M 14 1897 Coal Miner Hewer Lankhall Batts Somerset
RG number: RG14 Piece: 14676 Reference: RG14PN14676 RG78PN890 RD316 SD1 ED13 SN25 Registration District: Bath Sub District: Twerton Enumeration District: 13 Parish: Englishcombe
Address: 1 Rose Cottages Odd Down Bath County: Somersetshire
It begs the question whether Alison is working back from the Moulds or forwards from the Jacobs.
The birthdate (if accurate) is 3 years older than Fanny Jacobs born to Eli .
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17 Mar 2013 10:51 |
Gai/MC
Ive tried reading that marriage record but it's such a poor quality image.
I wanted to check who the witnesess's were. Can you have a look and see if you can make anything out please
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MarieCeleste
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17 Mar 2013 10:55 |
Gins, sadly it doesn't give any witnesses, just that the ceremony was performed by Allen G Hall, pastor of ME (Methodist?) church at so Framingham (image comes up quite clear on my screen?)
EDIT: I notice the documents on Ancestry and Familysearch are different versions of the same thing, but have exactly the same info. The Familysearch version on the link above is much clearer to read.
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Gai
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17 Mar 2013 11:04 |
That's a terrible image, how on earth would you even know if there was a transcription error or not.
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MarieCeleste
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17 Mar 2013 11:09 |
Gai - does the Familysearch image not work better for you?
There's no doubt the marriage and 1900 US census that Gins found is for Fannie, the daughter of Eli and Elizabeth so it looks like we have two Fannys.
1901 England
MOULD, Frank Head Married M 31 1870 Maltster Bradford, Wiltshire MOULD, Fanny Head Married F 33 1868 Halifax Nova Scotia MOULD, Francis S G Son M 5 1896 Bath, Somersetshire MOULD, Stephen Son M 4 1897 Bath, Somersetshire MOULD, Thomas Son M 1 1900 Bath, Somersetshire LANE, Thomas Boarder Single M 16 1885 Iron Moulder Bristol, Gloucestershire
Piece: 2334 Folio: 56 Page: 14 Registration District: Bath Civil Parish: Twerton
Address: 20, Stuart Place, Twerton County: Somersetshire
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Gai
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17 Mar 2013 11:18 |
MC - I didn't look at Familysearch only Ancestry.
I can see the image a lot clearer on Familysearch.
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MarieCeleste
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17 Mar 2013 12:07 |
Had a look in the newspaper archives to see if there was anything on the 1894 marriage of Frank Mould and Fanny Jacob that might give some background, sadly not.
However, the Frank Mould of the addresses on the 1901 and 1911 was mentioned many times relating to his appearances at the police courts on drink related charges.
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