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Sarah Elizabeth Wise born abt 1851 married James Heather. Her father was John Wise born abt 1823 Kent, Ann Drury was also born Kent abt 1828. I think Ann Drury was born in a place called: Molash, but can't work out where in Kent John Wise was born ? (On the census return) Can anyone help ? Also John Wise father was also called John Wise, but can't find much else about them... If anyone can find more, that would be very helpful, thanks.

Just posting Sarah's baptism for background:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Sarah Elizabeth Wise
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 11 Jan 1852 (born 17 Oct 1851)
Father's Name: John Wise - labourer
Mother's name: Ann Wise
Parish or Poor Law Union: Rotherhithe St Mary
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Lived Globe Street

1861:

WISE, John Head Married M 36 1825 ... Labr Gilling, Kent
WISE, Ann Wife Married F 33 1828 ..., Kent
WISE, Sarah Daughter F 9 1852 ..., Surrey
WISE, John Son M 7 1854 ..., Surrey
WISE, Alfred Son M 6 1855 ..., Surrey
WISE, William Son M 4 1857 ..., Surrey
WISE, Ann Daughter F 2 1859 ..., Surrey

Piece: 311 Folio: 39 Page: 14
Registration District: Poplar
Civil Parish: Poplar

Address: 3, Doris Street, Poplar County: London

John's occupation looks like Stone manufacturing labourer. Birthplace might read Selling? There is a place called Selling not too far from Faversham.

John and Anne's marriage:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: John Wise - labourer
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: E B\ann Drury (Ann Drury)
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 28 Oct 1850
Parish: Rotherhithe St Mary
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: John Wise - labourer
Spouse Father Name: William Drury - labourer
Register Type: Parish Register

Both of Rotherhithe and neither married before.

Witnesses: William Wise and Sarah Wise

What's happened with Ann's name is that the person filling in the register made a mistake when writing Ann's name and when they've amended it they've put their initials "EB" which has then been transcribed as part of her name.

That is fantastic MarieCeleste, very very pleased with this info!!! :-) I like your photo.

You're very welcome Graham.

I look nowt like that photo now, I've aged about 100 years since then!!

Very nice of you to find this for me, thankyou MarieCeleste.

That's ok, age is just a number!

Their birthplaces a bit different in 1851!

WISE, John Head Married M 25 1826 Labourer Sheldwich, Kent
WISE, Ann Wife Married F 23 1828 Maldask, Kent

Piece: 1583 Folio: 10 Page: 13
Registration District: Rotherhithe
Civil Parish: Rotherhithe

Address: 1, Globe Square, Rotherhithe County: Surrey

On the original John's birthplace looks like Speldwick

I think John Wise birthplace must be: Selling.

Ok, interesting about the two different birthplaces, need to confirm the correct one.

Have you found out any thing interesting about your family MarieC. I take it you come from up North... ?

Graham been using my Kent parish indexes for you

Molash baptisms

Ann Drewrey 15th June 1828 to William and Elizabeth
Daniel Drewrey 17th Nov 1833 to William and Elizabeth

also
Mary Drury 17th Jan 1819 to William and Elizabeth
Thomas Drury 2nd Dec 1821 to William and Elizabeth
William Drury 16th Nov 1823 to William and Elizabeth

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Sheldwich baptisms

This is the family of John and Sarah Wise -- John is a thatcher from 1820 to 1827
then a Lab. from 1829 to 1845.
on the 1851 census he is John F Wise [Francis] born Selling Kent

George 24th Oct 1820
William 31st Mar 1822
Harriet 18th Jan 1824
John 12th Feb 1826
James Marden 21st Oct 1827 - looks as if he went to Australia
Alfred 1st Nov 1829
Sarah 18th Mar 1832
Samuel 2nd Mar 1834
Stephen 4th Dec 1836
Emma 12th Jan 1840
Mary Ann 2nd Oct 1842
Barbara 22nd June 1845

Quite a family -- not checked the burials

John Francis Wise = Sarah Theobalds 30 Dec 1819 Selling Kent. [ Faversham]

Mavis

What great information Mavis, is that from a cd? You've verified the census info.

Graham, yes I'm very Northern and my family are varied and interesting to me!

Thanks very much for this Mavis, this is the first time I am seeing this info, it's really amazing! WOW!!!

Marvis, the above: John Wise married a Ann Drury, I take it you have gone back to his father also called John Wise. Sheldwich baptisms.

Are you telling me this is John Wise born abt 1825, father: John Wise who married Sarah Theobalds ?

To confirm: John Wise born abt 1825, selling in Kent, parents were: John Francis Wise, Sarah Theobalds. Hope I've got it right.

Graham - you have it right , your John Wise who married Ann Drury / Drewrey those are his parents, John Francis Wise and Sarah Theobalds

I have several CD's of Kent parishes but not Selling sorry to say.

When I looked for John and Sarah Wise on the 1851 Census, I Iooked for Barbara, they are in Sheldwich., I use Ancestry - that can come up with info on people later on in years, James Marden Wise popped up as on the death reg in Australia.

If the Drury/ Drewrey family stayed in Molash then I can find some more on them.

will take me awhile so watch this space. I'll see what I can find !!

Mavis

Thanks very much for all this info Mavis! Showing me and telling me things for the first time! I'm amazed by it all! WOW!!! It really is, seeing all those person, names/dates from the past...