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10 Mar 2013 15:21 |
1861 England Census William Turner Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ann Turner Gender: Male Where born: Newcastle Under Lyme Civil parish: Hitchin County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Street Address: Great Northern railway cottages Occupation: fitter Registration district: Hitchin Sub-registration district: Hitchin ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 99 Piece: 818 Folio: 73 Page Number: 22 William Turner 35 Ann Turner 31 Ann Turner 5 Islington Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 818; Folio: 73; Page: 22; GSU roll: 542706.
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10 Mar 2013 15:18 |
This could explain why she married in Cambridge even though she and her mother were born in London on censuses: 1871 England Census Ann Turner Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William Turner Mother's name: Ann Turner Gender: Female Where born: London, England Civil parish: St Andrew the Less Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls County/Island: Cambridgeshire Country: England Registration district: Cambridge Sub-registration district: St Andrew the Less ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Household schedule number: 100 Piece: 1587 Folio: 60 Page Number: 19 William Turner 47 Porter G N R Newcastle Northumberland Ann Turner 41 Ann Turner 15 John Hills 22 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1587; Folio: 60; Page: 19; GSU roll: 829807.
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Chris Ho :)
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10 Mar 2013 14:56 |
Day:26 Month:Aug Year:1875 Groom forename:Albert Groom surname:COURSE Groom's residence:of Norwich St Groom's condition:bac Groom's occupation:packer Groom's age:24 Groom's father's forename:William Groom's father's surname: Groom's father's occupation:lab Bride forename:Anne Bride surname:TURNER Bride's residence:of Norwich St Bride's condition:sp Bride's occupation:[blank] Bride's age:20 Bride's father's forename:William Bride's father's surname: Bride's father's occupation:fitter By Licence:by banns Place:Cambridge, St Paul County:Cambridgeshire,England Witness 1 forename:Henry Witness 1 surname:BENNER Witness 2 forename:Sarah (x) Witness 2 surname:BENNER
(bit more on above, if any help!)
Chris :)
Births Mar 1851 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------- Course Albert N Witchford 14 138
(his Baptism, 1853 Little Eversden)
1851 COURSE, William Head Married M 27 1824 Ag Lab Eversdan, Cambridgeshire COURSE, Sarah Wife Married F 27 1824 Ag Lab Royston, Huntingdonshire COURSE, Laura Daughter Unmarried F 3 1848 Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire COURSE, Albert Son Unmarried M 0 (2 MOS) 1851 Benwick, Cambridgeshire Piece: 1765 Folio: 543 Page: 21 Registration District: North Witchford Civil Parish: Benwick Municipal Borough: Address: Puttock Toll, Benwick County: Cambridgeshire
1861 COURSE, William Head Married M 37 1824 Labourer Little Eversden, Cambridgeshire COURSE, Sarah Wife F 37 1824 Roydon, Hertfordshire (Royston) COURSE, Albert Son Unmarried M 10 1851 Scholar ..., Cambridgeshire (Benwick) COURSE, Fanny Daughter F 8 1853 Scholar Little Eversden, Cambridgeshire COURSE, Louisa Daughter F 5 1856 Scholar Little Eversden, Cambridgeshire COURSE, Janett Daughter F 2 1859 Scholar Little Eversden, Cambridgeshire Piece: 1024 Folio: 22 Page: 37 Registration District: Cambridge Civil Parish: St Andrew the Less Municipal Borough: Cambridge Address: 8, Smarts Row, St Andrew The Less, Cambridge County: Cambridgeshire
1871 COURSE, William Head M 48 1823 Cambridgeshire COURSE, Sarah Wife F 48 1823 Hertfordshire COURSE, Albert H Son M 20 1851 Cambridgeshire COURSE, Janette Daughter F 12 1859 Cambridgeshire Piece: 1586 Folio: 77 Page: 15 Registration District: Cambridge Civil Parish: St Andrew the Less Municipal Borough: Cambridge Address: Smart's Row, St Andrew The Less, Cambridge County: Cambridgeshire
1881 COURSE, Sarah Head Widow F 59 1822 Dressmaker Royston, Hertfordshire Piece: 1665 Folio: 76 Page: 22 Registration District: Cambridge Civil Parish: Cambridge St Andrew the Less Municipal Borough: Address: 8, Smarts Row, Cambridge St Andrew The Less County: Cambridgeshire
Baptism Day:23 Month:Nov Year:1887 Forenames:Annie Janette Laura Surname:COURSE Relationship:of Father forenames:Albert Fathers occupation:porter Mother forenames:Annie Birth Day: Birth Month: Birth Year: Abode:of Church Street Place:Cambridge, St Andrew the Less County:Cambridgeshire,England
Births Jun 1879 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------- Course Anne Janet L Fulham 1a 204
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patchem
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10 Mar 2013 14:53 |
You have Harry Partridge died in Bournemouth in 1974.
Do you have the death certificate? How do you know that it is the correct Harry Partridge? Did he marry, if so, have you that marriage certificate for his age?
At the moment I would say that Harry Partridge, 1878, is actually Henry, 1888.
Have you got the death reference for Mr Herniman from drowning in the River Lee?
Annie Turner's mother is Anne, aged 70 in 1901, to help find her.
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MarieCeleste
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10 Mar 2013 14:14 |
That's the death I thought was correct, so who was it died in 1955?
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Graham
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10 Mar 2013 14:10 |
from death cert 9th dec 1923 orsett district
albert edward course 73 yrs old informant g d course 78 calcutta rd tilbury this is the gd course who married charlotte munson
from george dixon army records his signature is very similar to mine
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10 Mar 2013 14:09 |
Just noticed an anomaly - on the marriage of Anne Turner and Albert Course in 1875 her father's name is given as William Turner. On the marriage of Anne Herniman to John Partridge in 1897 her father is given as James Turner (occupation looks like Stock Marker)
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MarieCeleste
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10 Mar 2013 13:52 |
Found Anne's mother in 1891 with one of her grandsons:
TURNER, Ann Head Widow F 61 1830 Lodging House Keeper St Andrews, London COURSE, Albert Grandson M 14 1877 Scholar Lambeth, London FRISBY, Charles Lodger Widower M 53 1838 Painter Cambridge
Piece: 1285 Folio: 102 Page: 3 Registration District: Cambridge Civil Parish: Cambridge Municipal Borough: Cambridge
Address: 15, Norwich Street, Cambridge County: Cambridgeshire
(Not seeing this Albert on any other census)
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MarieCeleste
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10 Mar 2013 13:35 |
If John and Emily are together in the 1891 then I don't think the two lads on the 1901 census are his sons.
I'm blowed if I can find Annie and those two boys in 1891.
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10 Mar 2013 13:19 |
1881 England Census John Partridge Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emily Partridge Gender: Male Where born: Eastmar, Hereford, England Civil parish: St George County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 24 Cock Yard Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Coachman Registration district: Chelsea Sub-registration district: Hanover Square ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Piece: 91 Folio: 72 Page Number: 16 John Partridge 33 Emily Partridge 32 Peter T. Hardwicke 8 adopted son Chelsea William Tarling 17 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 91; Folio: 72; Page: 16; GSU roll: 1341020.
? Peter Taylor Hardwicke Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1872 Registration district: Chelsea Inferred County: London Volume: 1a Page: 282
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10 Mar 2013 13:15 |
This fits with the birth I found 1871 England Census John Partridge Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emily Partridge Gender: Male Where born: Easton, Herefordshire, England Civil parish: St George Hanover Square Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St George Hanover Square Sub-registration district: Hanover Square ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Household schedule number: 91 Piece: 95 Folio: 60 Page Number: 18 John Partridge 26 domestic coachman Emily Partridge 22 Yeovil Somerset Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 95; Folio: 60; Page: 18; GSU roll: 824587.
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MarieCeleste
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10 Mar 2013 13:08 |
I think this is John Partridge and first wife in 1891 (his wife is actually 39)
BEARDSLEY, Edward Servant Single M 28 1863 Gardener Nottinghamshire POWELL, Edward Servant Single M 17 1874 Gardener Apprentice Pencoed, Glamorganshire THEOBALD, Thomas Servant Single M 25 1866 Groom Kent MARSHALL, George Servant Single M 30 1861 Groom Shropshire FUNNELL, George Servant Single M 29 1862 Groom Northamptonshire ROGERS, Richard Servant Single M 25 1866 Groom London PARTRIDGE, John Servant Married M 40 1851 Coachman Herefordshire PARTRIDGE, Emily Servant Married F 89 1802 London
Piece: 4454 Folio: 4 Page: 1 Registration District: Bridgend Civil Parish: St Brides Major
Address: Dunraven Stables, Sea Mouth, St Brides Major, Southerndown County: Glamorganshire
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10 Mar 2013 12:59 |
This could be birth of John Partridge - if that Eastnor Herefordshire in 1901 is correct place, but age out: Births Mar 1846 Partridge John Ledbury 26 195
If Annie married as Herniman, have we found that marriage or her in 1891??
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MarieCeleste
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10 Mar 2013 12:39 |
If George and William's father is Albert and not Alfred then this must be the correct death?:
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 Name: Albert E Course Birth Date: abt 1850 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1923 Age at Death: 73 Registration district: Orsett Inferred County: Essex Volume: 4a Page: 530
Graham - can you give us the details of the death that you have noted for the father of William and George?
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MarieCeleste
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10 Mar 2013 12:36 |
Re: the 1901 that Patchem posted above, I do think that's the right one. I've looked at the other John & Anne (and variants) Partridges on the 1901 and the birthplaces just don't fit. The clincher is her mother Anne Turner living with them.
But there is no mention of a Harry born 1878? Harry is very often a nickname for Henry but the lad of that name with the family was born 1888?
EDIT: Is Percy Partridge on the 1901 actually Percy Course recorded under stepfather's name?
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10 Mar 2013 12:22 |
Albert's birth year is way out on this 1901 but it's definitely the address referred to on his son's service records:
CRIBB, Mary A Head Widow F 55 1846 Newsagent Kingwood, Hampshire CRIBB, Thomas Son Single M 23 1878 Dock Labourer Sittingbourne, Kent COURSE, Albert Boarder Single M 58 1843 Dock Labourer Cambridge ENDLE, George Boarder Single M 60 1841 Dock Labourer Cambridge BLANCHARD, William Boarder Single M 56 1845 Engineers Labourer Bromley, London
Piece: 1661 Folio: 98 Page: 33 Registration District: Orsett Civil Parish: Chadwell St Mary
Address: 11, Calcutta Road, Chadwell St Mary, Tilbury County: Essex
So was Anne a bigamist?
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Graham
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10 Mar 2013 12:04 |
yes this is him I do know quite a lot about George Dixon now but cannot find anyone how can comment on events . His wife is Charlotte Munson :-)
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MarieCeleste
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10 Mar 2013 12:01 |
If the father is ALBERT Course, then who is ALFRED? (Would someone explain to me in easy words?! - perhaps I shouldn't have had that extra glass last night!)
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10 Mar 2013 11:58 |
Albert and Anne's marriage:
Albert Course, "England, Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: Albert Course Birth Date: 1851 Birthplace: Age: 24 Spouse's Name: Anne Turner Spouse's Birth Date: 1855 Spouse's Age: 20 Event Date: 26 Aug 1875 Event Place: Saint Paul,Cambridge,Cambridge,England Father's Name: William Course Spouse's Father's Name: William Turner
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M13802-1 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 1040431 Reference ID: Citing this Record https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVCG-TLF
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MarieCeleste
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10 Mar 2013 11:55 |
Graham, when I'm doing my own research I tend to ignore family lore and put it on the back burner. Once I've established hard facts by finding and verifying records I then use the family stories to put the meat on the bones. Very often there are inconsistencies between what has been told and what is correct. :-)
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