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Dear All

Many many thanks for all these responses to my search for details on Henry and Fanny Ferris.
I had found some of them and some particularly re Fanny Wakefield in London I found most useful.
Establishing definite details prior to my grandfather Henry James Ferris, I find most frustrating.

I wonder if this could be James Ferris second marriage after Harriet??

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about James Ferris
Name: James Ferris
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1842
Registration district: Melksham
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume Number: 8
Page Number: 503


********Hannah Dolman Jul-Aug-Sep 1842 Melksham Wiltshire

*********James Ferris Jul-Aug-Sep 1842 Melksham Wiltshire

James Ferris Jul-Aug-Sep 1842 Melksham Wiltshire

Charlotte Hains Jul-Aug-Sep 1842 Melksham Wiltshire

Joseph Knowles Jul-Aug-Sep 1842 Melksham Wiltshire

Ruth Purnell Jul-Aug-Sep 1842 Melksham Wiltshire

William Randell Jul-Aug-Sep 1842 Melksham Wiltshire

Possible death for Henry.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Henry Ferris
Name: Henry Ferris
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1883
Age at Death: 43 *************************************************
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 137

I am wondering if Henry and Fanny parted and she said she was a widow to get parish releif.

I did find a death of a Henry Ferris in Surrey and looked up the probate but there was no mention of Fanny just a solicitors I think. That was 1886 which would fit with Fanny being a widow in 1891.

I had a message from John saying he dos'nt know anymore about Henry but that which he put in his first posting.

His grandfather is Henry James Ferris 1875 and this could be the link to Henry if his father was a James Ferris. Henry giving his father name to his son as a second name.

Not really who you asked abt, but...

1841 England Census Transcription
Street:SODOM
Parish:DAUNTSEY
City:
County:Wiltshire
Country:ENGLAND
House Number:
House Name:
Registration District:MALMESBURY
Archive Reference:HO107 Piece Number:1181 Book:11 Folio:9 Page:10

JANE ELLISON 1780 61
THOS ELLISON 1823 18 Ag Lab
WM WAKEFIELD 1820 21 Ag Lab
CAROLINE WAKEFIELD 1821 20
HANNAH WAKEFIELD 1840 1
EMMA GALER 1839 2
[All had pob=Wilts]

Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1838
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
GAYLER Emma Malmesbury East History Centre ME/1/233

Maybe
Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1840
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WAKEFIELD Hannah Malmesbury East History Centre GEAREY ME/2/221


1851 England Census Transcription
Parish:DAUNTSEY
City:
County:Wiltshire
Division Of County:
Ecclesiastical District:
Enumeration District:
Hamlet:DAUNTSEY
House Name:COTTAGE
House Number:
Parliamentary Borough:MALMESBURY
Municipal Ward:
Registration District:MALMESBURY
Archive Reference:HO107 Piece Number:1835 Folio:184 Page:18

WILLIAM WAKEFIELD 1820 31 Dauntsey, Wilts HEAD M Ag Labr
CAROLINE WAKEFIELD 1821 30 Dauntsey, Wilts WIFE M Ag Labr
HANNAH WAKEFIELD 1841 10 Dauntsey, Wilts DAUGHTER Scholar
FANNY WAKEFIELD 1843 8 Dauntsey, Wilts DAUGHTER Scholar
MARY WAKEFIELD 1847 4 Dauntsey, Wilts DAUGHTER Scholar
ELLEN WAKEFIELD 1850 1 Dauntsey, Wilts DAUGHTER
JOHN MORSE 1772 79 Dauntsey, Wilts LODGER W Ag Lab Inf=Deaf


1861 England Census Transcription
Street:TURNPIKE ROAD
County:Wiltshire
Parish:DAUNTSEY
City:
Town:
Ecclesiastical District:BRISTOL & GLOUCESTER
Parliamentary Borough:CRICKLADE
Registration District:MALMSBURY
Enumeration District:14
Archive Reference:RG09 Piece Number:1277 Folio:68 Page:17

WILLIAM WAKEFIELD 1820 41 HEAD M Agricultural Labourer
CAROLINE WAKEFIELD 1821 40 WIFE M Labourers Wife
ELLEN WAKEFIELD 1850 11 DAUGHTER Scholar
ELIZA WAKEFIELD 1852 9 DAUGHTER Scholar
JOHN WAKEFIELD 1857 4 SON
JANE ELLISON 1781 80 LODGER W Labourers Widow
[All have pob=Dauntsey, Wilts]

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/103501

Wiltshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1837
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
FERRIS James MABLY Harriet Dauntsey, St James the Great History Centre C24/1/2


Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1838
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
FERRIS Henry Malmesbury East History Centre MABLEY ME/1/265

Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1842
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
FERRIS William Malmesbury East History Centre MABLY ME/3/86

Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1850
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
FERRIS Alfred Malmesbury East History Centre MABLEY ME/7/17


Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1843
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WAKEFIELD Fanny Malmesbury East History Centre GALER ME/3/222

Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1849
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WAKEFIELD Ellen Malmesbury East History Centre GALER ME/6/212

Wiltshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1840
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WAKEFIELD William GALU Caroline Dauntsey, St James the Great History Centre C24/1/13

Mel has posted 1851 - I read Alfred's age as 7m - neither 7m nor 4m is excluded by:
Births Dec 1850 (>99%)
Ferris Alfred Malmsbury 8 372

Here's James in 1871:
1871 England Census Transcription
Street:TURNPIKE ROAD
Parish:DAUNTSEY
Town:
City:
County:Wiltshire
Country:ENGLAND
Ecclesiastical District:
Municipal Ward:
Parliamentary Borough:CRICKLADE
Registration District:MALMESBURY
Registration Sub-District 1B Malmesbury Eastern
Enumeration District:14
Archive Reference:RG10 Piece Number:1890 Folio:59 Page:19

JAMES FERRIS 1802 69 Dauntsey, Wilts HEAD M Road Labourer
HARRIET FERRIS 1807 64 Wanborough, Wilts WIFE M Labourers Wife
ALFRED FERRIS 1851 20 Dauntsey, Wilts SON U Labourer

Here's the wrong Henry:

1851 England Census Transcription
Parish:DAUNTSEY
City:
County:Wiltshire
Division Of County:
Ecclesiastical District:
Enumeration District:
Hamlet:DAUNTSEY
House Name:DAUNTSEY
House Number:
Parliamentary Borough:MALMESBURY
Municipal Ward:
Registration District:MALMESBURY
Archive Reference:HO107 Piece Number:1835 Folio:189 Page:29

JOHN FERRIS 1797 54 Dauntsey HEAD W Ag Lab
DANIEL FERRIS 1820 31 Dauntsey SON M Ag Lab
THOMAS FERRIS 1823 28 Dauntsey SON U Ag Lab
PHOEBE FERRIS 1835 16 Dauntsey DAUGHTER U Ag Lab
ELIZABETH FERRIS 1837 14 Dauntsey DAUGHTER U Ag Lab
CHARLES FERRIS 1839 12 Dauntsey SON Scholar
HENRY FERRIS 1844 7 Dauntsey GRANDSON Scholar

Using the local index at http://www.wiltshirebmd.org.uk/
Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1843
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
FERRIS Henry Malmesbury East History Centre ME/3/249

It looks like an illegitimate birth to me.

strange thing is though..can't find a death between 1881 and 1891 for Henry that fits with age....and can't find TWO Henry Ferris' born Dauntsey Wiltshire (one 1838/9 one 1844) before marriage to Fanny that would fit with one marrying Fanny and then dying and one being alive and widowed in Mile End from 1891 onwards :-S

So 1881

Name: Henry Ferris
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Fanny Ferris
Gender: Male
Where born: Dauntsey, Wiltshire, England
Civil parish: Fulham
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 2 Cambridge Tce
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Labourer (Railway)
Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 67
Folio: 8
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Ferris 42
Fanny Ferris 39
William Ferris 8
Henry James Ferris 6
Edith E. Ferris 4


three children.....who are all still alive in 1891...so one of these dies between 1891 and 1911??

On the 1911 census for Fanny she says she has had 5 children 2 still living and three died.

Fanny in 1871???????????????

Name: Fanny Wakefield
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Dauntsey, Wiltshire, England
Civil parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: St Paul Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 107
Piece: 64
Folio: 50
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
W J Hidden 45
Mary Hidden 35
Charles Hidden 16
Alice Hidden 13
Arthur Hidden 10
Rose Hidden 8
Sina Hidden 5
Edith Hidden 4
William Hidden 1
Lewellin Hidden 1 Month
Mary York 19
Fanny Wakefield 27

I wonder if this is their marriage but it has been messed up as there is no image and and no proper number.

Could someone look it up on FMP please?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about Henry Ferris
Name: Henry Ferris
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1872
Registration district: Melksham
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume Number: 5a
Page Number: 23*

and in the middle 1901

Name: Fanny Ferris
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Dauntsey, Wiltshire, England
Civil parish: Haworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael and All Angels
Town: Haworth
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Keighley
Sub-registration district: Haworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 54
Piece: 4080
Folio: 95
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Fanny Ferris 58
Henry James Ferris 26
Edith Ferris 24
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She is on 1911

Name: Fanny Ferris
Age in 1911: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Dauntsey, Wills
Civil parish: Haworth
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 8 Shirley St Haworth
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration district: Keighley
Registration District Number: 492
Sub-registration district: Haworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Piece: 26115
Household Members:
Name Age
Eva Newell 45
Elizabeth Newell 19
Fanny Ferris 69
Edith Ferris 34
Edith Ferris 12

This is Fanny as a WIDOW on the 1891 census with the children

1891 England Census
about William Ferris
Name: William Ferris
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Fanny Ferris
Gender: Male
Where born: Windsor, Berkshire, England

Civil parish: Haworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Haworth
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Keighley
Sub-registration district: Haworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3542
Folio: 69
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Fanny Ferris 47
William Ferris 18 1873 Windsor Berkshire
Henry James Ferris 16 1875 Paddington London
Edith Elizabeth Ferris 14 1877 Paddington Lndon

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Edith Elizabeth Ferris
Name: Edith Elizabeth Ferris
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 23 Nov 1876
Father's Name: Henry Ferris LABOURER
Mother's name: Fanny Ferris
Parish or Poor Law Union: Paddington St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address 32 Clarenden Street.

Here is John's 1891 census...Name: Fanny Ferris
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Dauntsey, Wiltshire, England
Civil parish: Haworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Haworth
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Keighley
Sub-registration district: Haworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3542
Folio: 69
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Fanny Ferris 47
William Ferris 18
Henry James Ferris 16
Edith Elizabeth Ferris 14

So ignore my 1881 to 1911!!!!!

I guess so, found it on familysearch.org try to avoid Ancestry trees!!

So the Henry that I find in 1891 to 1911 is probably the one that Shirley has in 1871...but doesn't fit with Fanny widowed in Haworth!!!!!

Trailertrash lots of people married on Christmas Day because for some it was the only day they had off.

I too saw that on a tree on ancestry.

and 1911

Name: Henry Ferris
Age in 1911: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Dauntsey, Wiltshire, England
Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 8 Monsey Street, Harford St, Stepney
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: GAS PURIFIER
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Registration District Number: 21
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town South Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 41
Piece: 1612
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Ferris 67
John Ferris 30