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MargaretM
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16 Feb 2013 13:34 |
I'm getting confused!
Your first post says that Thomas Burke married Mary Louisa Frances Tennes in 1849 but both Isle of Wight records and FreeBMD show her name as Maria Timmichi/Tinnuchi.
The 1870 marriage record in London gives the name Maria Louisa F Tinnuchi.
Surey 2 sisters wouldn't be named Mary Louisa F. and Maria Louisa F?
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16 Feb 2013 12:22 |
The Mary A in 1871 has a POB of Fernsoch, Nairn or Ross-shire. Looks as if Mary b Edinburgh has died and Thomas remarried?
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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16 Feb 2013 11:41 |
The Mary L F Tinnuche was another sister born in France c1852. She married John Joyce Homewood. A confusing family to say the least...I believe the 1861 census says she was born Frognal not France!
So Bartolemy was born IOW 1847 and Maria Louisa Frognal (near Hampstead) in 1852
Also, Janet/Jessie is shown as Head in 1861 but not widowed?
Jude
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Alan
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16 Feb 2013 09:31 |
Margee The Mary L F Tinnuche was another sister born in France c1852. She married John Joyce Homewood. A confusing family to say the least Alan
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Alan
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16 Feb 2013 09:26 |
Hi Jude [HeyJudeB4Beatles]
I have a copy of Mary's baptismal entry which took place in Edingburgh. Alan
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Alan
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16 Feb 2013 09:20 |
Margee Re your question as to names. The whole thing is a conumdrem. Joseph Tinnis married Janet Riva in Scotland and had 3 children. Joseph Tinnis Mary Tennes and Paul Tinnis. They moved to Northumberland where Matthew Tinnis was born. He died using the surname Tinnucci. They then moved to Dover where Angelina was born with the same surname. Moving to the Isle of Wight my Great Grand Father was born but the registered surname was Tinichea but he was married using the surname Tennuci and used that throughout his life. On the IoW the surnames Tinnis Tennes, Tinichea and Tennuci were used on various documentation
The key person to all of this is the mother Jesse Riva aka Janet. On all documentaion apart from Census records her surname is used. On the 1841 census in Dover they are recorded as FINNIS but this is a bad transcription. There are infact approx 29 variations of the surname.
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Chris Ho :)
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16 Feb 2013 08:55 |
British nationals armed forces births (Find My Past website) 1761-2005
Name: BURKE, William Mother's name: Not available before 1966 Regiment:49th Foot Place : Barbados Country: West Indies Year: 1860 Volume : 961 Page: 27 Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)
(do you have above Certificate?, would be interesting to see Maiden name of Mother)
Chris :)
Name: BURKE, James Mother's name: Not available before 1966 Regiment:49th Foot Place : Deesa Country: Indian Subcontinent Year: 1866 Volume : 960 Page: 10 Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)
Name: BURKE, Kenneth Mother's name: Not available before 1966 Regiment:49th Foot Place : Deesa Country: Indian Subcontinent Year: 1868 Volume : 960 Page: 21 Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)
edits (also, obtaining one of above, would possibly help trace Army Records, if Regiment Number given)
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patchem
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16 Feb 2013 08:46 |
Just putting the free bmd entry that Margee found, as having difficulty tracking the families (but could be totally unrelated) Marriages Sep 1870 BEHR Teodor Strand 1b 815 CROSSLEY Zillah Strand 1b 815 Homewood John Joyce Strand 1b 815 Tinnuchi Maria Louisa F Strand 1b 815
This looks like Teodor 1871 England Census Theodore Behr Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Matilda Behr Mother's Name: Katharina Zahringer (No, probaby sister) Gender: Male Where born: Russia Civil parish: Mile End Old Town Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip Town: Mile End Old Town County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Mile End Old Town Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Western ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 2 Piece: 555 Folio: 57 Page Number: 1 Theodore Behr 22 Matilda Behr 19 John Zahringer 4 Katharina Zahringer 24 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 555; Folio: 57; Page: 1; GSU roll: 823397.
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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16 Feb 2013 07:40 |
In 1849 0n the Isle of Wight Thomas Burke born c1829 Ireland marrried Mary Louisa Frances Tennes born 1st July 1833 Edinburgh. Thomas was in the Army and was based at Parkhurst Barracks on the IOW.
How have you come by their places of birth please?
Jude
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MargaretM
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16 Feb 2013 01:02 |
Who is this one then?
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Maria Louisa F Tinnuchi Name: Maria Louisa F Tinnuchi Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1870 Registration district: Strand Inferred County: London Volume Number: 1b Page Number: 815 (click to see others on page)
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MargaretM
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16 Feb 2013 00:57 |
I don't understand why someone would be baptised as Tennes but married as Tinuche/ Timmuchi/Tinnuchi?
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Alan
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16 Feb 2013 00:38 |
Thomas did marry Mary Tinnuche [correct spelling] although she was baptised as Tennes. I will evaluate the above. Many thanks for your advice and research Alan
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GlitterBaby
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16 Feb 2013 00:32 |
Puzzled as to why the poster says the Scottish census is not on Ancestry.
The transcriptions are for 1841 to 1901 but not the images. You need Scotlandspeople for the images
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MargaretM
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15 Feb 2013 23:36 |
Thanks, Anne, I was beginning to think nobody had read my post!
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Madmeg
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15 Feb 2013 22:33 |
I cannot find any marriage of a Thomas Burke to the lady you mention.
In fact I can find no record at all of a Mary Louisa Frances Tennet.
You will need the birth certificate of a relevant child to determine the mother's maiden name. Do you have that? You have to work backwards from what you know if you are to research properly.
Margaret
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GlasgowLass
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15 Feb 2013 22:21 |
It would appear so! I think Margee may have identified the correct couple who married in 1849 Isle of Wight
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Mary
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15 Feb 2013 22:18 |
So it would seem that Alan is looking for a completely different family?
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GlasgowLass
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15 Feb 2013 22:12 |
Thomas Burk groom's birth date groom's birthplace groom's age bride's nameMary Ann Mcdonald bride's birth date bride's birthplace bride's age marriage date24 Sep 1855 marriage placeEdinburgh
parentThomas Burke, Mary Anne Mc Donald
nameBridget Jane Burke genderFemale baptism/christening date baptism/christening place birth date30 Nov 1874 birthplaceOLD DEER,ABERDEEN,SCOTLAND death date name note race father's nameThomas Burke father's birthplace father's age mother's nameMary Anne Mc Donald
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Mary
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15 Feb 2013 22:06 |
Thomas and Mary Ann had bridget jane burke in 1875 Old Deer Aberdeen,a tree on Ancestry has her and it staes her parents were thomas Burke and Mary Ann Mcdonald!!
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GlasgowLass
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15 Feb 2013 22:01 |
Am I off track? Re the 1871 census in Aberdeen This couple are not old enough to have married in 1833? EDIT: Misread Alan's original post, sayys married 1849. Mary A Burke was born in Rosshire circa 1837 She is found on censuses right up until 1901 where her pob remains the same
1861 England Census about Thomas Burke Name: Thomas Burke Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Burke Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil parish: Aldershot County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Farnham Sub-registration district: Frimley ED, institution, or vessel: Foot Regiment 49th, East Block and Permanent Barracks Aldershot Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 1 Piece: 431 Folio: 39 Page Number: 38 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Burke 32 Mary Burke 26 Thomas Burke 4 William Burke 1
1881 Scotland Census about Mary Ann Burke Name: Mary Ann Burke Age: 44 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name : Thomas Burke Gender: Female Where born: Ferntosch, Rossshire Registration number: 147 Registration district: Banff Civil parish: Gamrie County: Banffshire Address: 21 Gellymill St. ED: 11 Household schedule number: 130 Line: 11 Roll: cssct1881_43 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Burke 40 Mary Ann Burke 44 James Burke 15 Kenneth Burke 13 Alexander D F Burke 11 Bridget J Burke 6
1891 Scotland Census about Mary Ann Burke Name: Mary Ann Burke Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name : Thomas Burke Gender: Female Where born: Ferntoch, Nairnshire Registration number: 155A/2 Registration district: Macduff Civil parish: Gamrie Town: Macduff County: Banffshire Address: 14 Institution St ED: 1 Household schedule number: 189 Line: 2 Roll: CSSCT1891_44 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Burke 62 Mary Ann Burke 52 Bridget Jane Burke 16 William Kenneth Burke 3
1901 Scotland Census about Mary Ann Burke Name: Mary Ann Burke Age: 64 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relationship: Mother Gender: Female Where born: Ferntosh, Rosshire Registration number: 274 Registration district: Barry Civil parish: Barry County: Angus Address: Green Lane Struan Bral Occupation: Housekeeper ED: 1 Household schedule number: 129 Line: 4 Roll: CSSCT1901_87 Household Members: Name Age Christina Bremner 65 Robert Bremner 41 Margaret Bremner 35 Christina A Bremner 7 Margaret Maclellan 73 John Maclellan 36 Katherine Maclellan 31 Mary Ann Burke 64 William K Burke 13* same child as 1891 E M Wilson 74
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