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Potty
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19 Feb 2013 13:06 |
Whoops! Yes, Jude, the 1849 marriage cert!
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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19 Feb 2013 13:04 |
Do you mean 1849 marriage cert Potty?
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Potty
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19 Feb 2013 11:58 |
Alan, the simple way to see if the Thomas Burke who married Maria Tinnuci and the one who married Mary Ann McDonald is to buy the 1849 birth cert and see if his father's name is the same on both.
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ArgyllGran
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19 Feb 2013 09:35 |
In both 1901 and 1911, Kenneth Burke's name is mistranscribed as Barke. 1901: He (with wife and son) is visiting his brother William and family in Perthshire. (William & family also mistranscribed as Barke). 1911: He and his family are in Manchester.
In 1891 he's a lodger at 72 Bell Street, Dundee as shown on his father's death cert.
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ArgyllGran
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18 Feb 2013 22:03 |
Ann and Alan -
Thomas's death cert only mentions Mary Ann, unfortunately, but as Ann says, it depends on what the informant (his son Kenneth) chose to tell the registrar. If Thomas was only married to Maria Tennes/Tennuchi for a couple of years, forty years before, perhaps it didn't seem worth mentioning. Or perhaps Kenneth didn't know about her.
Details from death cert: Thomas Burke , railway porter and army pensioner, married to Mary-Ann McDonald. Died 27/10/1891, at 6.30pm, at 52 Gellymill Street, Macduff, aged 62 years. Parents: Patrick Burke, crofter, and Bridget Burke , ms Hughes, (deceased). Cause of death:catarrhal pneumonia, acute 6 days. Informant: Kenneth Burke, son, 72 Bell Street, Dundee.
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18 Feb 2013 12:21 |
Alan, do you have the 1849 marriage cert? if so, what is Thomas's father's name and occupation? Comparing this with the 1855 marriage would confirm whether they are the same man.
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GlasgowLass
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18 Feb 2013 10:43 |
Hi Alan, As Thomas died in McDuff in 1891 his death cert should give the names of any wives that he had. Info will depend on what the informant knew or chose to provide. Anne
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Alan
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18 Feb 2013 08:06 |
Hi Connie Any research is helpful as is yours. If everI do manage to link him with my Thomas, it's a very useful piece of info to have. Many Thanks Alan
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ArgyllGran
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17 Feb 2013 16:04 |
Not helpful to Alan's search, but perhaps interesting:
Forces-war-records.co.uk shows that a Thomas Burke, a private in the 49th Regiment of Foot, was severely wounded in 1854, at the Battle of Inkermann, during the Crimean War.
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ArgyllGran
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17 Feb 2013 08:59 |
Another thought: In 1861 Thomas was with the 49th Regiment of Foot. Judging by the pob's of sons William, James, & Kenneth, he stayed wiith them until at least 1868. And obviously his wife went along too.
Between 1849 and 1852 (when Mary Tennes/Tennuchi's younger sister of the same name was born), the 49th was based in Ireland and Corfu, so chances are the first Mary died in either of those places.
http://web.archive.org/web/20071031091908/http://www.regiments.org/deploy/uk/reg-inf/049-1.htm
RootsIreland lists two Mary Burkes, both died 1849, one in Co. Tyrone, one in Co. Galway, but I don't have credits at the moment to see the details. But Irish records are notoriously patchy.
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GlasgowLass
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17 Feb 2013 00:19 |
Thanks Connie, I momentarily forgot about 1855 certs and the wealth of info provided. I haven't yet found an 1855 one ( MC) where a previous spouse was named anyway!
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ArgyllGran
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16 Feb 2013 23:36 |
Anne -
No marital status is given. On the marriage certificate there's a column headed "If a widower or widow, whether second or third marriage". Nothing is entered here, so either it's a clerical oversight, or he's not the same Thomas Burke, as suspected.
Unfortunately there were several Irish soldiers named Thomas Burke, born around the same time!
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16 Feb 2013 18:37 |
Connie, Out of interest, does the 1855 marriage say Thomas was a bachelor or does it say widower Edit: How many Irish born soldiers were there named: Thomas Burke? Marital status on this one is not given!
1851 England Census about Thomas Burke Name: Thomas Burke Age: 22 9 Mo Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828 Relation: Soldier Gender: M (Male) Where born: Baley Peckan, Limerick, Ireland Civil parish: Woolwich Town: Greenwich County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Greenwich Sub-registration district: Woolwich Dockyard ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Artillery Barracks Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 1 Piece: 1588 Folio: 417
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16 Feb 2013 16:22 |
On 24 Sept. 1855, Thomas Burk (sic) married Mary Ann McDonald in St Mary's Chapel, Broughton Street, Edinburgh. He was aged 27 (therefore born c.1828), born in Castle Hill, Co Galway, (probably means Co. Mayo) [NO! See edit at end of this post!] and it says he was a private in the 47th Regiment. His parents were Fanny & Patrick ?(Parker?) Burk. His father was a farmer. Mary Ann was 20 (born c.1835), a servant, born parish of Avoch, Ross-shire . Parents Jane & James McDonald (a farmer).
1861: English census as given by Anne in earlier post - living in Aldershot. 1871: as in George-of-Westbury's post - Old Deer, Aberdeeenshire. 1881: as in Anne's post. Mary Ann's pob given as "Ferntosch"; this is Ferintosh, Ross-shire, near Avoch. 1891: ditto. MA's pob "Ferntoch, Nairnshire" - ie - Ferintosh, Ross-shire. 1901: ditto. "Ferntosh".
Looks like a totally different Thomas Burke from the one Alan's looking for. Or if it's the same one, then Potty is correct, and Maria Tennes died between 1849 and 1855.
This Thomas Burke died in the registration district of Macduff, Banffshire in 1891, aged 62. I'm not sure when Mary Ann died. Can't find her after 1901.
EDIT: On their marriage cert., Castle Hill is Thomas's "present" address, therefore Castle Hill, Edinburgh. His birthplace is Co. Galway as stated on certificate. I can't decipher the exact place in Galway.
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16 Feb 2013 15:20 |
From familysearch the baptism of the James that Chris found:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGH5-57S name: James Bourke gender: Male baptism/christening date: 18 Mar 1866 baptism/christening place: Deesa, Bombay, India birth date: 08 Mar 1866 birthplace: death date: name note: race: father's name: Thomas Bourke father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Mary Ann mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: C00172-5 system origin: India-EASy source film number: 523925 reference number: Collection: James Bourke, "India, Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947"
and Kenneth:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGHR-5VL name: Kenneth Burke gender: Male baptism/christening date: 09 Feb 1868 baptism/christening place: Deesa, Bombay, India birth date: 03 Feb 1868 birthplace: death date: name note: race: father's name: Thomas Burke father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Mary mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: C00206-7 system origin: India-EASy source film number: 523927 reference number: Collection: Kenneth Burke, "India, Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947"
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Potty
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16 Feb 2013 15:11 |
There is a son, Alexander aged 1, on the 1871 census. scotlandspeople has only one birth for that name in Strichen in 1870. You will be able to view his birth registration on scotlandspeople and that will give you his mother's maiden name and also where and when they married.
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16 Feb 2013 15:04 |
The baptism will be on scotlandspeople, a pay-to-view site. There are two baptisms coming up in the Catholic baptisms for Mary Tennes (using surname variants) in July 1833 but neither are on the 1st. You will need to purchase credits on the site to view the image.
This is Maria Louisa on the 1861 - b1852. So, the first Mary could have died after the 1849 marriage and before her birth:
1861 England Census about Maria Louisa Tunnachia Name: Maria Louisa Tunnachia Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Janet Tunnachia Gender: Female Where born: France Civil parish: Westminster St James Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: St James Westminster Sub-registration district: Berwick Street ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 474 Piece: 61 Folio: 81 Page Number: 70 Household Members: Name Age Janet Tunnachia 50 Auglangia Tunnachia 19 Matthew Tunnachia 20 Barthomely Tunnachia 14 Maria Louisa Tunnachia 9 May Carmichael 38 Joseph Riva 49
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16 Feb 2013 14:45 |
Potty. This is the same Mary/Maria who married Thomas Burk. The surname has been mistranscribed.
Margee. I thought the same but it is true that there were 2 sisters of the same name. Was the 1st one dead at the time of the second ones birth? I would welcome a transcript of the baptismal record of Mary in Edinburgh.
HeyJudeB4Beatles She was def born in France as according to my GGF obituary the family spent several yrs in France aftr leaving the IOW and then came back to London. Joseph the Father is not present and we assume died in France. On the later census records Jesse is recorded as a widow.
I am now coming to the conclusion that none of the census' are related to my Thomas and Mary/Maria since the child in the 1861 census born in India is related to another Thomas and Mary Ann
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16 Feb 2013 14:19 |
A tree on Ancestry has this census tied to the family. Could 9 year old Mary be the one who married Thomas?
1841 England Census about Mary Finnis Name: Mary Finnis [Mary Tinnis] Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832 Gender: Female Where born: Foreign Parts Civil parish: Chatham Hundred: Chatham and Gillingham County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View image Registration district: Medway Sub-registration district: Gillingham Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 487 Book: 4 Folio: 20 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age George Gingell 46 Mary Gingell 36 Frederick Gingell 20 William Smith 18 Joseph Finnis 39 Jesse Finnis 28 Mary Finnis 9 Paul Finnis 5 Mathew Finnis 3
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16 Feb 2013 13:44 |
The 1849 marriage only has her as Maria:
Marriages Jun 1849 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Budden William Isle of Wight 8 413 Burke Thomas I of Wight 8 413 Downer Jacob I of Wight 8 413 Edmunds Jane I. of Wight 8 413 Sheath Ann I of Wight 8 413 Shirlaw Jane I of Wight 8 413 Tinnuchi Maria I of Wight 8 413 Urry Thomas Hamilton I of Wight 8 413
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