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30 Jun 2016 17:40 |
John Ayres service record is available on Ancestry:
Name: John Eyres Gender: Male Birth Date: abt 1898 Enlistment Age: 19 Marriage Date: 18 Aug 1915 Marriage Place: Salisbury Document Year: 1917 Residence Place: Gomeldon, Nr Salisbury Regimental Number: 100854 Regiment Name: Labour Corps Number of Images: 11 Next of Kin: Elsie Georgina Eyres Gomeldon, Salisbury There is a later address of 8 Exeter Street, Tavistock, and also an address Cumberton, Nr Salisbury Occupation: Skin & Hide dealer
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30 Jun 2016 17:54 |
Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1901
HUGHES Mary J Winterbourne History Centre EYRES WINTB/8/16
(from below free link)
http://www.wiltshirebmd.org.uk/index.php
(haven't read right through!, but if above relates anywhere)
Chris :)
Wiltshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1915
EYERS John HUGHES Elsie G Wilton Register Office or Registrar Attended History Centre WIL_RO/5/79
Wiltshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1916
HUGHES Amy AYRES Walter Amesbury Register Office or Registrar Attended History Centre AMES_RO/4/131
edits (perhaps that Mary J below)
1911 (Find My Past) Fredrick Hughes Head Married Male Licensed Hawker 55 1856 Collingbourne Wilts Ellen Hughes Wife Married Female - 45 1866 Retherwick Hants Mary Hughes Daughter - Female - 9 1902 Allington Wilts Elsie Hughes Daughter - Female - 13 1898 Andover Hants Address Gomeldon Road Winterbourne Gunner Wiltshire Parish Idmiston County Wiltshire Census reference RG14 PN12080 RG78 PN676 RD252 SD3 ED3 SN164 (says Married 26 yrs, 5 children born, 4 died, 1 living)
1901 (Find My Past) Frederick Hughes Head Married Male 37 1864 Hawker Wiltshire, England Helen Hughes Wife Married Female 33 1868 - Rotherwick, Hampshire, England Horace Hughes Son Single Male 14 1887 Hawker Pewsey, Wiltshire, England Amy Hughes Daughter Single Female 5 1896 - Hampshire, England Elsey Hughes Daughter Single Female 2 1899 - Andover, Hampshire, England Louisa Hughes - Single Female 18 1883 Hawker Hampshire, England Parish Allington County Wiltshire Registration district Amesbury Archive reference RG13 Piece number 1950 Folio 21 Page 2
Marriages Jun 1885 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------------- Eyres Ellen Amesbury 5a 297 Hughes Frederick Amesbury 5a 297
Wiltshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1885
HUGHES Frederick EYRES Ellen Amesbury Register Office or Registrar Attended
(according to below link, from google, also another Hughes, Gomeldon) (Son of Frederick above)
http://www.gypsyjib.com/page/1911+Household+Transcriptions+Wiltshire
HUGHES Horace Head 25 General Dealer & Hawker Pewsey Wiltshire HUGHES Matilda Wife 27 Married 6 Years Marlborough Wilts HUGHES Gertrude Daughter 5 Allington Wilts HUGHES Georgina Daughter 3 Idminston Wilts HUGHES Agnes Daughter 1 Gomeldon Down Winterbourne Gunner Wiltshire RG14PN12080 RG78PN676 RD252 SD3 ED3 SN190
1939 Register (Find My Past)
The Common, Pewsey R.D., Wiltshire Horace Hughes 29 Aug 1886 Male Farm Labourer (Gent) Married Matilda Hughes 14 Jan 1884 Female Farm Labourer Married Gertrude Hughes 22 Aug 1907 Female Farm Labourer Single James Hughes 14 Jan 1914 Male Farm Labourer Single
http://www.gypsyjib.com/
http://romanygenes.com/
(in case anything else, although you may already know of!)
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30 Jun 2016 18:54 |
Do you have access to newspapers? There are a few article regarding Ayre and Hughes Gypsie families in the Wiltshire area:
The Salisbury Times - Friday 20 December 1907- Gypsies In Trouble
Article about children William and John Ayres damaging growing grass at Allington.
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30 Jun 2016 19:01 |
Death of Elsie?:
Name: Elsie G Ayres Birth Date: abt 1898 Date of Registration: Sep 1942 Age at Death: 44 Registration district: Salisbury Inferred County: Wiltshire Volume: 5a Page: 182 ---------------------------------------------
National Probate Calendar:
Ayres or Eyres Elsie Georgina of Myrtledene, Amesbury, Wiltshire (Wife of John Ayres) died 14th August 1942, Administration Winchester 21 September to the said John Ayres, council employee. --------------------------------------------------
There is a calendar entry for John at the same address as Elsie- but I can't find a death in Wiltshire, so perhaps he died elsewhere?
National Probate Calendar. Ayres John of Myrtledene , Amesbury, Wiltshire, died 13th Feb 1964 Probate Winchester 15 September to Anthony Ellis Stroud solicitor
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1 Jul 2016 07:48 |
So Death for John missing, Marriage for Horace?...
Chris :)
(looks to be Son 1939, and possible others)
Births Mar 1914 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------------------- HUGHES James M Barney Amesbury 5a 258
Births Jun 1908 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------------- Hughes Georgina Amesbury 5a 165
Births Jun 1910 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------------------- HUGHES Agnes Maud Amesbury 5a 154
Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1908
HUGHES Georgina Winterbourne History Centre BARNEY
Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1910
HUGHES Agnes M Winterbourne History Centre BARNEY WINTB/8/445
edits
21 December 1906 - The Salisbury Times, etc. - Salisbury, Wiltshire
JACK OF ALL TRADES. Horace Hughes, a gipsy, was charged with driving a horse and trap Boscornbe without a light, on the night of the 4th December. He pleaded not guilty. P.C. Titt stated the night of the 4th inst. he saw horse and trap without a light ... Hughes stated that he met a friend of his in Salisbury who gave him a lift, he called, Edward Eyres of Hurstbourne Tarrant.
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1 Jul 2016 08:03 |
Perhaps this is the death- although age is out from service record and marriage?
Deaths Mar 1964 (>99%) AYRES JACK 77 SALISBURY 7C 616
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1 Jul 2016 08:20 |
That's the one I came across too AQ, last night, did wonder about that...
Chris :)
(expect you have to go shortly, as I do in a minute!, can't find Horace Marriage can you?, lol)
(1911 says Married 6yrs, 3 children born, 3 living)
(if a year out from her on 1939, then below a possible, but, WiltsBMD gives Mother Maiden Name Hughes!)
Births Sep 1906 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------------------- Hughes Gertrude May Amesbury 5a 163
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1 Jul 2016 08:41 |
Thanks very much for all of this information it is the most I have had , very hard when you only just find these things out , they look like large family's I wonder if there are cousins still around , I will print all of this information , so they were Romany ? Don't no were the fairground fits in . Thanks kim
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1 Jul 2016 08:56 |
Chris, I'll take a look for Horace in a bit- but just wanted to share this- the Graves of Walter and Amy Ayres (Kim, Amy was Elsie's sister):
http://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/cemetery.php?cemetery=2915&scrwidth=1258
Ayres Walter Ayres first name on this monument 1888 1959 71 Amy Louisa Ayres wife of Walter Ayres 1895 1950 55 Trixie B J Ayres daughter of Walter Ayres 1927 1940 13 Frederick C Weeks son-in-law of Walter Ayres 1919 1996 77
I think this is where there is some confusion as there are several births in the Wiltshire area with surname Ayres/ Eyres and mother's maiden name Hughes, but some of the children were Amy's and some were Elsie's.
From the gravestones above we now know that at least these were children of Amy and Walter (your Mam's cousins):
Births Sep 1924 Ayres Elsie G Hughes Amesbury 5a 240 (This Elsie married Frederick Weeks the son-in-law mentioned above, but I won't give further details as Elsie might still be living).
Births Mar 1928 Ayres Trixie B Hughes Amesbury 5a 206
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1 Jul 2016 09:17 |
Chris- I'm wondering if Horace didn't marry. Maybe Matilda was his cousin? Not sure what the law was regarding marriage between cousins at that time? It would also explain the Hughes as Mother's maiden name on the children's birth records.
This is Matilda in 1911:
HUGHES Matilda Wife 27 Married 6 Years Marlborough Wilts
Could this be her in 1901:
Name: Matilda Hughes Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1883 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Father: Edward Hughes Mother: Harriet Hughes Birth Place: Marlborough, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: North Tidworth Ecclesiastical parish: North Tidworth Holy Trinity County/Island: Wiltshire Registration district: Pewsey Sub-registration district: Collingbourne ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Piece: 1947 Folio: 130 Page Number: 10 Household schedule number: 95 Household Members: Name Age Edward Hughes 42 Gyspy Hawker (Where born- unknown) Harriet Hughes 40 Matilda Hughes 18 Daughter born Marlborough Joseph Hughes 14 Henry Hughes 12 Daisy Hughes 10 Eliza Hughes 6 Phoebe Hughes 6 Ernest Hughes 4 Thomas Hughes 1
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1 Jul 2016 10:19 |
Just looking into the fairground theory:
Portsmouth Evening News - Saturday 30 March 1901
Police Court before Colonel C M Longmore at the police court this morning, Walter Ayres who described himself as a steam roundabout proprietor was charged with obtaining a sovereign by means of a trick from a lad named Cooper... ----------------------------------------
Hampshire Advertiser - Saturday 17 May 1902
Walter Ayres was charged with stealing 30lbs of white paint valued at 15s belonging to messrs. Rolf & Son, railway contractors at the parish of Soberton on the 29th ult... Prisoner is a travelling show proprietor and stayed with his vans in a field near the railway bridge...
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1 Jul 2016 10:49 |
Hi , Elsie Hughs my mums mother only had 2 children Gertrude and my mum Violet , I was told buy my mums son who I just met that John done fairground boxing he was young so can not rember. A lot as my mums life was a mystery before she had me and I have only just found my half siblings , so quite fascinated buy all of this , my mum Did have dark eyes and hair , which has passed onto me and people have always commented on this look that my sons and I have , not sure if my mum was a gypsy I was told she was and then she wasent as there memory's are vague my dad never had any ideal of any of this even Thou he came from the next village and my dads family were quite well too do , and then travelers on my mums side my man would have died ,lol . Thanks kim
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1 Jul 2016 11:59 |
(aah!, yes, that could be her 1901 AQ, thanks for that, don't like to 'leave the job' half undone, lol)
Chris :)
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