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Sue...

In no way do you owe me an apology, we all have/do make mistakes ( well most of us!!) I sure have and if it wasnt for the kindness and patience of some lovely people on here...I would never have sorted some of my "messes" out...wrong directions were (still are at times) my speciality....

Please do not let harsh word's put you off asking for help....I am more than happy to do what I can and besides, I enjoy a jolly good "hunt"

Misty x

The marriage info I posted was taken from Ancestry.

I hope you have benefitted from learning that you had made an error.....if you have, no-one's time was wasted.

To all . I am sorry for wasting your time. I assure you it wasnt deliberate. I only asked a question about a marriage certificate and no doubt in time I may have realised I was going the wrong direction. I can only spend a little time researching . However thankyou for being direct and telling me. I still cannot find all the info that you all seem to be able to pick up so you obviously have better resources. However i will not waste any more of your time

Thank you misty for your imput

There is no need now to get the marriage cert for Henry and Harriett

The details have been posted.....more than once.

But if you'd got the cert when you first started looking for this, you'd have saved yourself - and others - from looking in entirely the wrong direction

You can't manipulate info to try to get it to fit ............

Work on the facts as presented

Maybe....

1851 England Census
Name: H Hammond
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Son
Father's Name: H Hammond
Mother's Name: M A Hammond
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Kensington, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England


Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 167
Piece: 1468
Folio: 702
Page Number: 43

Household Members: Name Age
H Hammond 39..........Marylebone
M A Hammond 36
H Hammond 8
G Hammond 5
E Hammond 3
E Hammond 9 Mo


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Henry Hunter John Hammond
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 12 Mar 1843
Father's Name: Henry Hammond
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Hammond
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Mary Abbots Church, Kensington
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type: Parish Registers


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Mary Anne Hammond
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 28 Jul 1841
Father's Name: Henry Hammond
Mother's Name: Mary Anne Hammond
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Mary Abbots Church, Kensington
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type: Parish Registers

Father of Henry (1843)

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Henry Hunter Hammond
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 3 Mar 1813
Father's Name: Richard Hammond
Mother's Name: Mary Hammond
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers


Misty x

Well it's bugged us now too, chasing the wrong info.

PLEASE start with a birth certificate of one of the children then the marriage cert and work backwards from the info about Henry's father. ( his occupation might help )
Sometimes witnesses can be a clue

Glitterbaby

I only have the birth certificate of Thomas who was one of Henrys and Harrietts Sons - my gt gt grandfather. All of that is on the 1871 census and onwards but again nothing before

Mike
That 1871 census you showed is correct

Hi Mike

A blip on my part probably. I had worked on all the Henrys but nothing came up that I could see as his father and I wondered if the names had been swapped around as later down the line I had a relative that did just that. Added on to the lack of any info. He must have had siblings . I have looked at all sorts of theories - illegitimate children. adoptives, orphans etc. This has been bugging me for 18 months

Could this be his birth ?


Births Sep 1843
HAMMON Henry Norris - Chelsea 3 32
HAMMON Henry Novis - Chelsea 3 32


CHELSEA REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Created : 22.6.1841 (out of Kensington registration district

1871

Henry Hammond
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriett Hammond
Gender: Male
Where born: Kensington <<<<<<<<<
Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town


Henry Hammond 28
Harriett Hammond 24
Henry G Hammond 5
James W Hammond 2
Mary Ann Hammond 1

If the Sarah Hammond who died was the wife of William, she is not connected to Henry................HIS father was named as HENRY, and wasn't said to be 'deceased' in 1865, which means he probably existed, and wasn't fabricated to save face

The marriage record shows the witnesses both to be Harriett's realtions

Do you have a birth cert to confirm that Henry married Harriet Seal

Why did you think Henry's father was William ?

Probably not connected in any way, but an interesting record.

I wonder how they knew their ages, but not their names...................

1861 England Census about Henry Hammond
Name: Henry Hammond
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: London City
Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 50
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 55
Piece: 133
Folio: 102
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Larkin 52
Angelegue Larkin 39
Ann White 38
Henry Hammond 18
Thomas Gough 34
Damase Lake 26
William White 28
William Brown 21
George Brown 19
Geo Bonner 24
John Gosling 43
Unknown Male Tramps 20
Unknown Male Tramps 25
Unknown Male Tramps 30
Unknown Male Tramps 40
Unknown Male Tramps 40
Unknown Male Tramps 50
Unknown Male Tramps 20
Unknown Male Tramps 20
Unknown Male Tramps 20
Unknown Male Tramps 24
Unknown Male Tramps 22
Unknown Male Tramps 21
Unknown Male Tramps 30
Unknown Male Tramps 35

Hi Misty
Thats the info that I know is definite. Its Henrys (1843) parents and siblings that I cannot find anywhere

But the father on that marriage cert is named as Henry not William !




Name: Henrey Hammond
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Age: 22
Spouse Name: Harriett Seal
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 5 Jun 1865
Parish: Shepherds Bush St Stephen
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Father Name: Henry Hammond
Spouse Father Name: William Seal
Register Type: Parish Register

Hi andrew
Yes thats the one I was working on but again I cannot find any of the names parents or children on subsequent census's

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Harriett Seal
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Age: 20
Spouse Name: Henrey Hammond
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 5 Jun 1865
Parish: Shepherds Bush St Stephen
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Father Name: William Seal
Spouse Father Name: Henry Hammond**********Occ: Labourer
Register Type: Parish Register

Address for groom: 51(or 57) Clifton street
Address for bride: Clifton St