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I still can't find out what happend to MARY ANN SMITH FINDLAY (b) 31 Aug. 1859 Forfar, Scotland. Father Alexander Findlay and Mother Mary Ann (Milne) Findlay.
I still believe she married and stayed in Scotland, AND DID NOT IMMIGRATE like some of her Brothers to Australia and USA, but can't find out who she married and where, and where she died. There could have been a mix up in her name when she married for the records, so tried to look for a "Marriage" of Mary Ann SMITH even, instead of her correct full name. Someone thought she might have gone to Glasgow or middle of Scotland somewhere, but it is just like looking for a needle in a haystack. Can anyone suggest what I can do next, I would be very grateful. Beverley

If a lot of work has already been done on this site to try and find her, could you nudge up that thread so that the work is not duplicated?
Thanks

There's this thread, dated Aug 2010

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1236644

http://www.cousinconnect.com/d/a/308006

30-Aug-2012 FINDLAY
Looking for information about Mary Ann Smith Findlay (b) 31 Aug. 1859, Forfar, Scotland. Parents - Alexander & Mary Ann (Milne) Findlay. Her brothers & sister were: James, William, Alexander, Albert, Alfred, David, Frederick, Agnes & John. They lived in Montrose, Scotland. I want to know who Mary Ann Smith Findlay married, etc.
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No one so far has been able to break this brick wall!

For ref:
name: Mary Ann Smith Findlay
gender: Female
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 31 Aug 1859
birthplace: FORFAR,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Alexander Findlay
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Mary Ann Milne
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11288-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516

1871 census
name: Mary A Findley
event: Census
event date: 1871
gender: Female
age: 11
relationship to head of household: Daughter
birthplace: Scotland
record type: Household
registration district: St Columb Major
sub-district: Padstow
event parish: Padstow
county: Cornwall
Household Gender Age Birthplace
head Alexandra Findley M 37 Scotland (In the Army)
wife Mary A Findley F 37 Scotland
daughter Mary A Findley F 11 Scotland
son James A Findley M 9 Woolwich, Kent
son William E Findley M 7 Woolwich, Kent
son Alexandra H Findley M 5 At Sea
son Albert E Findley M 4 Bradford, Yorkshire
son Alfred W Findley M 3 Chupelton Nev Sheffield, Yorkshire
son David H Findley M 1 Padstow, Cornwall
Citing this Record

"England and Wales Census, 1871," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KDZG-5YL : accessed 22 Jan 2013), Mary A Findley in entry for Alexandra Findley, 1871.

Alexander discharged 21st Nov 1873 in Plymouth. Intended place of residence: Glamis Road, Forfar.

1881 census
FINDLAY, Alexander Head Married M 47 1834 Staff Sergeant Forfar And Kincardineshire Militia & Chelsea Pensioner Forfar, Forfarshire
FINDLAY, Mary Ann Wife Married F 48 1833 Forfar, Forfarshire
FINDLAY, Alexander H Son Unmarried M 15 1866 Shipping Clerk At Sea Between London & Hull
FINDLAY, Albert Edwin Son Unmarried M 14 1867 Scholar England
FINDLAY, Alfred Wood Son M 13 1868 Scholar England
FINDLAY, David H Son M 11 1870 Scholar England
FINDLAY, Frederick A Son M 9 1872 Scholar England
FINDLAY, Mary Ann Daughter Unmarried F 17 1864 Steam Loom Weaver Or Linen Weaver Forfar, Forfarshire

Piece: 312 Folio: 22 Page: 9 Registration District: Montrose Civil Parish: Montrose Municipal Borough:
Address: 33, India Lane, Montrose County: Forfarshire (Angus)

Scotlands people is showing no marriages, but 1 death.
searched for "mary ann smith" "findlay" 1859 - 2011
Have no further details as it is a pay to view site.

Thank so much to all who replied, I found a Mary Ann Findlay who migrated to Canada, but she was not my Mary Ann Smith Findlay as she was too young. I have been trying everything I can think of. I have mesages on other sites, I know about all the other 9 children, (Brothers and Sister) where they lived, what they did in life and when they died, and feel sad that she was the first born and we can't find anything about her life. Beverley

After 30 odd years I found Mary Ann Smith Findlay. On the Marriage Cert. it has some wrong details, also she did not have her full name on Certificate.
Mary Ann Smith Findlay married John Black on 2nd January,1883 in Montrose. A daughter, Mary Jane Black was born in Montrose on 25th Sept. 1883. Then they disappeared, I found them in Islington, London, England in 1911 Census.
On the 1911 Census it has 2 children born & 2 living but names have been crossed out. I only know of Mary Jane Black, but that is not one of the names crossed out.
So there is still a mystery with this family.
I know Mary Ann Smith Black & John Black both died in Islington, London, England.

That's good you have found information. It's so frustrating when you hit a brick wall

Yes thank you. I still need information on the children (need clarification on names because of Census cross outs) I guess I have to wait for the next Census to come out, but unsure by that time that I will find what I need as they would be married by then.

1911 (Find My Past) (Reference)
John Black Head Married Male Baker 48 1863 Montrose
Mary Black Wife Married Female - 50 1861 Forfar
Address 35 Ecclesbourne Road
Parish Islington
County London
Census reference RG14 PN916 RG78 PN32 RD10 SD6 ED14 SN266
(says Married 29yrs, 2 children born, 2 living)


1911 (Find My Past)
Charles Frederick Johnson Head Married Male Postman 27 1884 London Clerkenwell
Jane Mary Johnson Wife Married Female - 27 1884 Montrose Horforshire
Reginald Charles Johnson Son - Male - 2 1909 London Islington
Victoria Alexander Johnson Daughter - Female - 4 1907 London Islington
Hilda May Johnson Daughter - Female - 0 (8mths) 1911 London Islington
Address 35 Ecclesbourne Road Islington N
Parish Islington
County London
Census reference RG14 PN916 RG78 PN32 RD10 SD6 ED14 SN265

Chris :)

(2 females crossed through, Jenny? 26, Agness 28)


London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 (Ancestry)

1935 John Black
Islington Islington East and North 37 Ecclesbourne Road

(also below with Johnsons, no Mary)

John Black 1922 Islington Islington East and South 41 Ecclesbourne Road


1939 Register Transcription (Preview) (Find My Past)

JohnsonHousehold
Islington 37 Ecclesbourne Road
Charles F Johnson 1884
Mary J Johnson and 1 more person are on this record


Marriages Jun 1906 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------------------
Black Mary Jane Islington 1b 579
Johnson Charles Frederick Islington 1b 579


Deaths Dec 1921 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------
Black Mary A 62 Islington 1b 221

(if above, her Burial on below)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

Chris Ho

are those 2 crossed out names because they are not at home but living somewhere else do you think. My Ancestry sub expired and I haven't renewed so can't check myself

No idea on that, sorry!...

Chris :)

edits (according to below, from google search, Deaths as below!)

http://www.curiousfox.com/vill100/Middlesex33750_1.html

Deaths Jun 1935 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------
Black John 72 Islington 1b 297
Black Mary A 76 Islington 1b 313


Burial Register summary
Black John
Burial date
28 May 1935
Authority London Borough of Islington
Location Islington Cemetery (Islington)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/

(not seeing Mary above 1935?)

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Gainford Street, Islington, London, England

Emma Bell Head Widow Female 27 1864 - Islington, Middlesex,
Mary H Bell Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Islington, Middlesex,
Robert G L Bell Son - Male 1 1890 - Islington, Middlesex,
John Black Visitor Married Male 28 1863 Baker Montrose, Angus, Scotland

A tree on Ancestry has Mary Ann and Mary Jane in Fourdoun with John Allan and Jane Allan - she is their granddaughter. John's mother was - again according to the tree - called Jane; John was illegitimate and she later married a Mr Allan

Looked on Scotlands People - always have credits :-) - the only Agnes (with one s) was born in Guthrie Angus in 1880 - illegitimate; mother Jessie Black postal letter carrier.

I wonder if "Jenny" is Mary Jane?

Jude

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Inverury Street, Fordoun, Kincardineshire, Scotland

John Allan Head Married Male 61 1830 Retired Carrier Glenbervie, Kincardineshire,
Jane Allan Wife Married Female 45 1846 - Benholm, Kincardineshire,
Mary Ann Black Step Daughter Married Female 31 1860 - Forfar, Forfarshire (Angus),
Mary J Black Granddaughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Montrose, Forfarshire (Angus),

I wonder if this is Mary and Daughter in 1901- they do state Mary Ann for both- but ages tie in:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
35, Davenant Road, Islington, London, England

Mary Ann Black Head Married Female 39 1862 - Scotland
Mary Ann Black Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Corset Maker Scotland

Here's Mary Jane in 1911

Name: Jane Mary Johnson
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Civil Parish: Islington
Search Photos: Search for 'Islington' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 35 Ecclesbourne Road, Islington N
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 5
Estimated Marriage Year: 1906
Registration district: Islington
Registration District Number: 10
Sub-registration district: Islington South East
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Piece: 916
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Frederick Johnson 27
Jane Mary Johnson 27
Reginald Charles Johnson 2
Victoria Alexandra Johnson 4
Hilda May Johnson

Can't confirm AustinQ's 1901 by occupation because she had obviously become a full time wife and mother...but that 1901 looks good to me!

Jude

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) CHARLES F
Last name JOHNSON
Gender Male
Birth year 1884
Age 71
Death quarter 4
Death year 1955
District ISLINGTON
County London
Volume 5C Page 975

JOHNSON, Charles Frederick of 37 Ecclesbourne Road, Essex Road, London N.1 died 8 December 1955 Administration London 9 January to Mary Jane Johnson widow.