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MarieCeleste
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17 Jan 2013 23:06 |
Gins posted the 1916 directory for him, but there's also this:
U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989 (Beta) Name: Robt E W Besant Residence Year: 1921 Street Address: 109½ E 51st Residence Place: Los Angeles, California Occupation: Hl Publication Title: Los Angeles Directory Co's Los Angeles City Directory
No occupation ____________________________________________________________________
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U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989 (Beta) Name: Robt E W Besant Gender: M (Male) Residence Year: 1934 Residence Place: Los Angeles, California Occupation: None Spouse: Antoinette Besant Publication Title: Los Angeles Directory Co.'s Los Angeles City Directory
Address: 109½ E 51st
Although Antoinette is named she isn't listed at the address. _________________________________________________________________
Seems to be on his own in 1939 too:
U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989 (Beta) Name: Robt E W Besant Residence Year: 1939 Street Address: 109½ E 51st Residence Place: Los Angeles, California Occupation: Publication Title: Los Angeles Directory Co's Los Angeles City Directory
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MarieCeleste
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17 Jan 2013 22:54 |
Found Lillian in 1910, but not with Robert. She's with sisters:
1910 United States Federal Census Name: Lillian Besant Age in 1910: 51 [57] Birth Year: abt 1853 [1859] Birthplace: Ohio Home in 1910: Ho Ho Kus, Bergen, New Jersey Race: White Gender: Female Relation to Head of House: Sister Marital Status: Married Father's Birthplace: Ohio Mother's Birthplace: Ohio
Household Members: Name Age Alice C Victor 49 Meta Victor 43 Lillian Besant 51 [57]
Says she'd been married 19 years. No occupation.
Looking back at the 1907 arrival I'd thought he was heading home to Hoboken, it could be Ho Ho Kus
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17 Jan 2013 22:28 |
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi
(1956 Robert E W Besant on above)
Chris :)
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MarieCeleste
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17 Jan 2013 22:14 |
This is the US arrival of that 1896 voyage:
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 Name: Lillian Besant Arrival Date: 30 Jul 1896 Birth Date: abt 1864 Age: 32 Gender: Female Ethnicity/ Nationality: English Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Germanic
She's travelling with Robt E W Besant age 34 who is now a farmer?? They're headed to California.
So that 1890 marriage looks like a contender.
I daresay a reverend could farm as well?
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17 Jan 2013 21:00 |
Oh, that's just brilliant.
This is all tying up beautifully now. Robert's elder sister married a Canadian and obviously Robert and his papa William are travelling to visit. William was widowed a few years previously.
The family graves with magnificent kerbs are only ten miles from where I live, but Robert isn't commemorated on it at all. Even other family members who lived and died in Canada/USA are on there . . . And the church has some wonderful paraphernalia dedicated to William and his wife; reredos, pulpit, prayer desk, etc.
His father's rectory still stands and is a magnificent building. We have old family diaries where the writer makes entries about staying there with the family. Wonderful stuff, we are so lucky.
Wish we could find him on the 1910 census - anyone?
Keep it coming, please. I'll be back to this later this evening.
:-D :-D
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MarieCeleste
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17 Jan 2013 21:00 |
I think he was a priest like his father!
Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Name: Rev R E W BESANT Date of departure: 22 July 1896 Port of departure: Liverpool Destination port: New York Destination country: USA
Date of Birth: Age: Marital Status: Married Sex: Male Occupation: Notes: Passenger recorded on: Page 10 of 11
The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: - Mrs BESANT
Ship: GERMANIC Official Number: Master's name: E R Mckinstry Steamship Line: Where bound: New York, USA Square feet: 6352 Registered tonnage: 2989 Passengers on voyage: 290
What a shame they don't give his wife's first name!
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MarieCeleste
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17 Jan 2013 20:56 |
Age a bit out, but possibly:
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 Name: Robert Besant Arrival Date: 21 Dec 1907 Birth Date: abt 1866 Birth Location: England Birth Location Other: congchen (Congleton) Age: 41 Gender: Male Ethnicity/ Nationality: English Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Mauretania
Stamped as "non-immigrant alien". Returning home to Hoboken, New Jersey.
Occupation "none". NOK in England was his father in Congleton, Cheshire (no full name & address given).
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MarieCeleste
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17 Jan 2013 20:47 |
Here's your family in 1871 - his dad William is a clergyman!
BESANT, William Head M 37 1834 Dorset Clergyman BESANT, Violet Wife F 34 1837 Lancashire BESANT, Emmeline Daughter F 11 1860 Cheshire BESANT, Walter H Son M 10 1861 Cheshire BESANT, Violet M Daughter F 7 1864 Cheshire BESANT, Robert E W Son M 1 1870 Cheshire POTTS, Mary A Servant F 22 1849 Cheshire STACEY, Pemela Servant F 26 1845 Staffordshire
Piece: 3703 Folio: 23 Page: 17 Registration District: Congleton Civil Parish: Buglawton Address: Vicarage, Buglawton County: Cheshire
SO - looks like him and his father back and forth a few times to Canada.
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MarieCeleste
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17 Jan 2013 20:41 |
There is an outbound voyage to Canada:
Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Name: Mr R E W BESANT Date of departure: 10 July 1890 Port of departure: Liverpool Destination port: Quebec Destination country: Canada Date of Birth: Age: Adult Marital Status: Single Sex: Male Occupation: Gent Notes: Passenger recorded on: Page 7 of 9
The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: - Revd W BESANT Ship: PARISIAN Official Number: Master's name: Joseph Ritchie Steamship Line: Allan Line Where bound: Montreal, Canada Square feet: 7845 Registered tonnage: 3263 Passengers on voyage: 342
he's travelling with the Reverend, both English, both adults, both Gents.
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Nicola'S
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17 Jan 2013 20:41 |
MarieCeleste: Oddly enough, that's not a COMPLETE coincidence!!
RWEB's married sister Emmeline Aline Walker, nee Besant emigrated to Philadelphia with her husband and two daughters.
So, I wonder whether we can find the possible first wife's death perhaps??
And where is he in 1910??
:-D :-D
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MarieCeleste
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17 Jan 2013 20:33 |
This might be a complete coincidence but thought worth posting, just in case:
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Marriage Index, 1885-1951 Name: Robert William Besant Gender: Male Spouse Surname: Victor Spouse Gender: Female Marriage Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States Marriage Year: 1890 Marriage License Number: 38864 Digital GSU Number: 4140386
Robert William Besant Victor 1890 Lilliam StJohn Victor Besant 1890
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Nicola'S
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17 Jan 2013 20:19 |
~Thank you again Gins and everyone. Interesting that he retired at aged 50 - we wonder what he did??
Can you find him in the 1910 US census please??
TVM.
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Gee
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17 Jan 2013 19:56 |
Occupation
1930 - retired
1920 - none
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17 Jan 2013 19:53 |
Please can you look and see what his Occupation is on the US census entries?
That may reveal more for us.
TVM. :-D
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17 Jan 2013 18:46 |
I wonder if he went to Canada first? No age given on the original, occupation states he is a "gent" Might be a coincidence of names
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 about Mr R E W Besant
Name: Mr R E W Besant Gender: Male Date of Arrival: 30 May 1888 Vessel: Sardinian Search Ship Database: View the 'Sardinian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Port of Arrival: Quebec Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Roll: C-4514
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17 Jan 2013 18:41 |
Thank you to EVERYBODY.
Mike, no that is not my tree so I need to see whose tree my chap is on!
Can anyone find him on the 1910 US census please?
Thank you, standing by. :-D
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17 Jan 2013 18:26 |
Nettie Lela Pratt Birth Jun 1855 in Rock Creek, Carroll, Illinois, United States
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17 Jan 2013 18:26 |
California, Death Index, 1940-1997 about Robert Ew Besant Name: Robert Ew Besant Gender: Male Birth Date: 22 Nov 1869 Birth Place: Other Country Death Date: 23 Dec 1956 Death Place: Los Angeles
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17 Jan 2013 18:26 |
Is this from your tree ?
Robert Eddy W Besant Birth 22 Nov 1869 in Buglawton, Cheshire, England
Death 23 Dec 1956 in Los Angeles, California 26 Sep1913 Age: 43 Marriage to Nettie Lela Pratt 1913 26 Sep — Los Angeles, California, United States
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17 Jan 2013 18:24 |
1920 United States Federal Census about Robert E W Besant Name: Robert E W Besant Age: 50 Birth Year: abt 1870 Birthplace: England Home in 1920: Los Angeles Assembly District 71, Los Angeles, California Race: White Gender: Male Immigration Year: 1888 Relation to Head of House: Head Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Nettie L Besant Father's Birthplace: England Mother's Birthplace: England Home Owned: Rent Able to Read: Yes Able to Write: Yes Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Robert E W Besant 50 Nettie L Besant 63
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