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Births Dec 1867 Read Charlotte Pancras 1b 54

Oh, thank you Dea, I thought I was going crazy for a while there.

Mrs. Rootie xx

I can see a baptism for Charlotte but not a birth reg. yet!

Name: Charlotte Read
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 23 Sep 1867, b. 9 Sept. 1867
Father's Name: George Read
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Read
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

I am with you Roots !!!

I think that marriage should be put very much aside for now !!!

Dea Xxx

I don't think that the 1850 marriage is your family Caroline.

Where did you get Elizabeth's maiden surname from please?

Do You have Charlotte's birth certificate please? That would confirm her mother's maiden surname.

I don't think that's my George and Elizabeth. I have nothing anywhere with children called Lucy or Sophia.

The G & E I have are married in Islington in 1850, apr-may-June quarter. And her name is Elizabeth Lucy Scarr

Just trying to piece this together, great fun! :-D

Thank you's again everyone

That's a question indeed!

I have a grandmother called Charlotte
She is the youngest daughter of Elizabeth and George READ, cabman, of Peace Cottages, St. Pancras.

On her wedding banns, her father is named as George Galloway REED, cabman.

I am writing this in pieces which I am then pairing up to see which are obvious "fits" and which need more detective work.

Many thanks again, I am having a fabulous afternoon thanks to everyones help, seriously enjoying this!!

Right, I think this is the George and Elizabeth that married in 1850.

1861

Name: George Frederick Reed
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Isabella Reed
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England
Civil parish: Old Artillery Ground
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Artillery
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 278
Piece: 264
Folio: 132
Page Number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
George Frederick Reed 51 <<<<<<< Cordwainer
Elizabeth Isabella Reed 43
Lucy Elizabeth Reed 10
Sophia Isabella Reed 3


1841 (remember ages were round down to mutiples of 5 for the purpose of the 1841 census)


Name: George Reed
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Martin in The Fields
Hundred: Westminster
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: St Martin in the Fields
Sub-registration district: Charing Cross
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 739
Book: 1
Folio: 46
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Lucas 20
Samuel Taylor 15
George Reed 35<<<<<Shoe Maker

Like Jill, I think that there is something not quite right here.

Elizabeth (Isabella) Lucy Allison (sometime Scarr) born 3 June 1815, daughter of James Allison, Mariner and Sarah, who married George Frederick Reed in 1850 (having knocked a few years off her age?) seems to appear on the 1851 census with William Scarr, her son William and Daughter Elizabeth and William's cousin George Reed a Cordwainer.

I am totally lost!!!

I definately seem to be missing something here?

Is the George Reed on the 1851 census living with the Scarr family,the same George who married Elizabeth in 1850 please?

Oh now the plot REALLY thickens!!!

On my great grandmothers wedding notice, her father is listed as GEORGE GALLOWAY REED.

I now see that on the 1861 census which Chris Ho has added for me, the name of the boarder is: GEORGE GALLOWAY!! Somebody call Columbo!! :-S

Wondering about this birth but wrong middle name.

Name: Elizabeth Isabella Allison
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Aug 1815
Father's Name: James Allison<< Occ. looks like Mariner
Mother's Name: Sarah Allison
Parish or Poor Law Union: Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript



Ah! Yes

Name: Elizabeth Isabella Lucy Allison
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Aug 1815, born 3 June
Father's Name: James Allison<<< Mariner
Mother's Name: Sarah Allison
Parish or Poor Law Union: Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers


Looks like she was on the 1841 census with William Scarr, aged 40, William Scarr, aged 9 and Elizabeth Scarr aged 5. (For some reason the family is listed individually on Ancestry)

1841

Name: Elizabeth Scarr
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Clement Danes
Hundred: Westminster
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Strand
Sub-registration district: St Clement Danes
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 731
Book: 8
Folio: 46
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Scarr 25


She was the female witness along with George Frederick Reed at her son William's wedding in 1854 (details posted above)

It looks like she married her first husband (William Scarr b. about 1802) when she was 16 or younger if William (Junior) is her son?

Yes, I agree is VERY confusing! Especially as George Read/Reed is a cousin of the Scarrs!!

What I am thinking has happened is that in 1850, Mr Scarr has died and the widow marries her cousin George Reed/READ.

Elizabeth Scarr was originally Elizabeth Allison, hence name of father on her marriage to Geroge Read being James Allison.

I am wondering if Georges first wife was ALSO called Elizabeth.......? he is shown as a widower so he must have a first wife somewhere....

I am sticking with the George who is shown as a cabman/cab driver as this follows through to his youngest daughters wedding cert where he is a coachman.

If anyone has a time machine which I may use to nip back and speak to these folks, it would be immensely helpful! failing that, I am again, very grateful for your further and continuing help. :-\

Not wanting to put a spanner in the works but ... the census details given in the first post do not match the couple's details given in the marriage of 24 Jun 1850 of George Reed and Elizabeth Scarr nee Allison as the ages (and groom's occupation) are different.

In the marriage George is aged 46 (b. 1804) and Elizabeth is aged 32 (b. 1818).

Not sure which info is the correct info for what you need but you do need to work backwards from what you know for sure.

Jill

Deaths Dec 1876 (>99%)
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READ Elizabeth Ann 47 Pancras 1b 45

(if above is her, the Burial is on below link)


https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

Chris :)

This might be of interest as the witnesses were George Frederick Reed (who signed) and Elizabeth Lucy Reed (who made her mark)

Name: William Scarr (Clerk in a Newspaper Office)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Age: 21
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Rider
Spouse Age: 18
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 May 1854
Parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William Scarr
Spouse Father Name: James Rider
Register Type: Parish Register

Name: Elizabeth Ann Read
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 30 Jun 1860
Father's Name: George Read (Cabman)
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Ann Read
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers
(Hastings Street)

(looks to match 1861)

Chris :)

Oh! I see where the problem could lie.
There was an Eliz Allison who was married twice
Ist to William Scarr in 1831 and 2nd to George Reed in 1850

However, there is no guarantee that this is the correct George and Elizabeth Reid/Reed that Caroline is looking for.

Edit:
Yes something isn't right.
If Elizabeth remarried George Reid as a widow in 1850, she could not appear on an 1851 census with William Scarr, her 1st husband!

Lol, think I'm confused Dea, wasn't sure that 1850 Marriage posted went with the census images?...

(not sure if I saw previous 'Thread')

Chris :)

Isn't her maiden name 'Allison' ?? - Or have I got confused too ?? ;-)

Dea x

Not wishing to confuse you, (replies on 'Threads' do need a bit of digesting!), or repeat info. previously given, but given the surname, and it's variants, looks as though it could prove tricky finding correct Marriage without maiden name of Elizabeth...

Chris :)

Cert is attached to PM

Anne