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wonder if he wasnt Robert Arthur as per the marriage but this one

Marriages Dec 1901
HAWKINS Robert John Dartford 2a 1081
Martin Annie Elizabeth Dartford 2a 1081

AHH parents marriage

Marriages Jun 1924
Braund May Hawkett Dartford 2a 1469

HAWKETT Henry D Braund Dartford 2a 1469


Births Mar 1920
Braund Bertha A Braund Dartford 2a 1608

We still aren't sure if where Melissa wants to go with this - Ancestors or siblings of her grandparents! She's probably gone off to find the names she does have.

:-D

Bertha's birth isnt on FreeBMD either but these look like siblings

Births Jun 1925
Hawkett Mabel E Braund Dartford 2a 1119
Births Dec 1926 (>99%)
Hawkett Violet M Braund Dartford 2a 1024
Births Jun 1928 (>99%)
Hawkett Percy A D Braund Dartford 2a 1135


theres more up to 1946 but wont post them . you can find them on FreeBMD by searching on Hawkett and mmn Braund

Perhaps freebmd uploaded it the last time and Ancestry haven't caught up?

I'm not happy with the Leicester marriage, if anyone can find something more appropriate or at least find the 1911 and rule it out!

that 1915 birth isnt showing on Ancestry which is why I wasn't finding it.

I thought Ancestry uploaded BMDs from FreeBMD so its strange it isnt there

There only appears to be one Hawkins/Martin marriage within a suitable time frame, but it doesn't seem 'right' :-0

Marriages Mar 1905 (>99%)
HAWKINS Richard Leicester 7a 342
MARTIN Mary Leicester 7a 342

It might be worth ordering the BC as posted above for Frederick W Hawkins to see if the parent's names match at a cost of £9.25 from

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

??? or a red herring?

Births Mar 1915 (>99%)
Hawkins Frederick W Martin Dartford 2a 1214

Other Hawkins/Martin births in Kent 1910-1920

Births Dec 1912 (>99%)
Hawkins Robert A Martin Strood 2a 1248 99%)

Births Dec 1920
Hawkins Dorothy E Martin Dartford 2a 1212

There are later ones which you can find on freebmd and it won't cost you anything

The Dartford registration district covers both Farningham and Swanley, which are quite close together

Found the register entry for the marriage, which you can download to your computer.
Right click>save as (then choose a destination)

http://goo.gl/cjwtt

St Mary’s Church, Swanley
27 Aug 1938
Frederick William Hawkins batchelor age 23 Ag Lab of Wested? Lane, Farningham,
Father Robert Arthur Hawkins, deceased.
Bertha Annie Braund Hawkett spinster age 18 of Swanley Lane, Swanley,
Father Henry David Hawkett, labourer

Witnessed by Alfred Hawkins and May? Hawkett.

Do you know Tony Dennard?

He has his tree on various sites including a free to view one on

http://www.mundia.com/au/Person/39796742/19412514437

On his Ancestry tree, he has the marriage date as 1938 27 Aug suggesting that he has or has seen a copy.

You ought to be able to contact him via the Mundia site by clicking on his name.

Frederick's cremation records are on http://www.deceasedonline.com/
Frederick - CrematedOn:
27 May 1988

Recorded at:
Eltham Crematorium (Greenwich)

Date of death
14 May 1988

Assuming the 1997 for Bertha Anne Hawkins is as posted above, shown as Bertha Annie Hawkins
CrematedOn:
30 Oct 1997

Recorded at:
Eltham Crematorium (Greenwich)

Date of death
22 Oct 1997

their marriage record

Name: Frederick W Hawkins
Spouse Surname: Hawkett
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1938
Registration district: Dartford
Inferred County: Kent
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 2986
Find Spouse: Bertha A B Hawkett



maybe
Name: Bertha Anne Hawkins
Birth Date: 8 Feb 1920
Date of Registration: Oct 1997
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Gravesend
Inferred County: Kent
Register Number: T22C
District and Subdistrict: 5621C
Entry number: 50

looks like his death record but not seeing a corresponding birth
Name: Frederick William Hawkins
Birth Date: 19 Jan 1915
Date of Registration: May 1988
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Gravesend
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 16
Page: 771

Ok . well if you post what you know it maybe we can find their births which may give mmn if born after 1911.

not seeing Frederick's birth in the London area.

ok ill see if i can get one ,,, iv got names of brother s and sisters but nothing else

If you are wanting to go backwards it's a good idea to have their marriage cert for fathers names

trying to find any relatives on my hawkins side of my family my grandad was frederick william hawkins born on 19/01/1915, he married my nan bertha hawkett in 1938,we come from london kent