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amanda louise
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16 Feb 2013 19:36 |
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17 Feb 2013 11:57 |
Hi Amanda - have been looking but not finding them on the census but is this Ruth and her family in 1911 - with a daughter Harriet Elizabeth, so maybe the suggestion that the Harriet in one census was the Elizabeth in another is right:
1911 England Census about William Henry Herbert Name: William Henry Herbert Age in 1911: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Leicester Civil parish: Bristol County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street Address: 39 Dean St, St George, Redfield, Bristol Marital Status: Married Occupation: stoker Registration district: Bristol Registration District Number: 319 Sub-registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 40 Piece: 14949 Household Members: Name Age William Henry Herbert 31 Ruth Herbert 29 Ernest William 7 Harriett Elizabeth 5 I think the Ruth Lory found as niece with Joseph and Sarah Ann Hicks in 1891 is probably your Ruth - it looks like Long on the image and a Sarah Ann Long could have married a Joseph Hicks i878:
Marriages Dec 1877 (>99%) CARTER John Barton R. 6a 336 CARTER Sarah Ann Barton R. 6a 336 .*****Hicks Joseph Barton Regis 6a 336 Hill Ann Barton Regis 6a 336 *****LONG Sarah Ann Barton R. 6a 336
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17 Feb 2013 12:09 |
I wonder if this could be Elizabeth in 1891 - she did have a sister Martha - will see if I can find Martha's marriage:
1891 England Census about Elizabeth Long Name: Elizabeth Long Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 Relation: Sister-in-law Gender: Female Where born: Bitton, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Oldland Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Keynsham Sub-registration district: Oldland ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1942 Folio: 161 Page Number: 25 Household Members: Name Age George Gay 25 Martha Gay 27 Ellen F Gay 2 Lillian K Gay 8/12 Elizabeth Long 24
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17 Feb 2013 12:20 |
Ancestry ties up this marriage for George and Martha to the couple in 1911 and also ties up a death for a George B Gay! This is getting very confusing!
England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940 about George Bennett Name: George Bennett Gender: Male Birth Date: abt 1865 Age: 19 Spouse's Name: Martha Long Spouse's Age: 21 Spouse's Father's Name: Robert Long Marriage Date: 29 Dec 1884 Marriage Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
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17 Feb 2013 12:31 |
Oh Drat! Martha and the Sarah Ann who married Joseph Hicks had different fathers - so not sisters:
England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940 about Sarah Ann Long Name: Sarah Ann Long Gender: Female Birth Date: abt 1853 Age: 24 Father's Name: James Long Spouse's Name: Joseph Hicks Spouse's Age: 22 Spouse's Father's Name: Almond Hicks Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1877 Marriage Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
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17 Feb 2013 12:37 |
This looks like the right family in 1871 - mother's name Ruth!:
1871 England Census about Harriett Long Name: Harriett Long Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: James Long Mother's Name: Ruth Long Gender: Female Where born: Cardiff, Wales Civil parish: St Philip and St Jacob Ecclesiastical parish: St Silas County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Registration district: Clifton Sub-registration district: St Philip ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Household schedule number: 218 Piece: 2562 Folio: 73 Page Number: 38 Household Members: Name Age James Long 39 Ruth Long 39 Sarah Long 17 Charles Long 15 Alice Long 13 Harriett Long 11 Sophia Long 8 Ester Long 4 Caroline Long 1 Edit - all born Bristol except for Harriet and Alice.
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17 Feb 2013 12:53 |
Harriet in 1911 (on the image Long is crossed out and Brian written over it. She is a widow:
1911 England Census about Harrite Brain Name: Harrite Brain Age in 1911: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation to Head: Visitor Gender: Female Birth Place: Cardiff Civil parish: Bristol County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street Address: 44 Dean Street, Moorfields, Redfield, Bristol Occupation: Washing Registration district: Bristol Registration District Number: 319 Sub-registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 84 Piece: 14949 Household Members: Name Age Albert Brain 50 Lydeal Brain 47 Albert Brain 29 Edward Brain 18 Thomas Brain 15 Emily Brain 12 James Brain 10 John Brain 7 Harrite Brain 50 Walter Long 39
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17 Feb 2013 12:55 |
In 1891 - living next door to the family in the 1911:
1891 England Census about Harriet Bram Name: Harriet Bram [Harriet Brain] Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: George Bram Gender: Female Where born: Cardiff Civil parish: St George Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew Town: St George County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Barton Regis Sub-registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1977 Folio: 46 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age George Bram 36 Harriet Bram 29 If only we can find her in 1901 - perhaps Ruth will be with her!
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17 Feb 2013 13:10 |
Sorry, Amanda, no luck with either Harriet or Ruth in 1901. Perhaps somebody with FMP can do an address search on the address Ruth gives on her marriage cert?
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17 Feb 2013 13:18 |
Look who is living at 3 Dean Terrace in 1901 - the same Brain family that Harriet is with in 1911 - but no Harriet or Ruth, I am afraid:
1901 England Census about Albert A Brain Name: Albert A Brain Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Lydia Brain Gender: Male Where born: Bristol Civil parish: Bristol Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Bristol Sub-registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 189 Piece: 2390 Folio: 62 Page Number: 41 Household Members: Name Age Albert A Brain 40 Lydia Brain 38 Albert A Brain 20 Mary E Brain 17 Alice E Brain 13 Florrie E Brain 11 Alfred Brain 9 Edward Brain 8 Thomas Brain 6 Emily Brain 3 James Brain 7 Months Edit: There does seem to have been problems with this particular section of the census - a note at the end mentions that 24 houses have had at least 2 forms delivered and that the return has been re-done - perhaps Ruth, Harriet and George were somehow omitted. There are two entries for 3 Dean street.
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amanda louise
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21 Feb 2013 12:09 |
Thank you Potty. I appologise for my late respons as I lost my other Great Grandmother the day before you responded. I thank you so much for you'r continued help and support
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21 Feb 2013 12:18 |
Sorry to hear of your loss, Amanda. Please come back when things have settled down, if we be of any more help.
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amanda louise
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7 Mar 2013 18:09 |
Hello Potty I trust you are well. Thank you so much for you're kind words.
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