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Did you John Owen marry Ellen Riley?

If so in 1886 father Thomas describes himself as a 'canvasser'

the Elizabeth Davies with daughter Hannah Booker that you have for 1891 is not yours

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1882
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DAVIES Hannah BOOKER Franke Toxteth Park, St. Michael Liverpool 2068TP/14/1

from the image of the marriage (8-2-1882) on ancestry Hannah's father was Henry Davies and she was 19 yrs old

if this Hannah was your relative then you are following the wrong line with Thomas & Elizabeth

if their mother was Elizabeth Rowlands then her father from the marriage certificate was called Owen

I had been wondering about an Owen family name as it was used so often for the sons middle names.John Owen and Hugh became mariners-John Owen s mate and master certificates are on line.

People did change their occupation fairly frequently. If He was the Thomas who married Elizabeth Rowlands, he was a mariner on the marriage and on the birth of the first Owen Rowland Davies, then a grocer for John Owen Davies & Hugh Ro(w)land Davies, a collector in 1881 and on Hannah Jane's baptism in 1867 and an insurance agent (another name for a collector?) possibly in 1891.

Do let us know the outcome Mary when you get that birth certificate.

Baptisms: 19 Mar 1860 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Owen Rowland Davies - Child of Thomas Davies & Elizabeth
Born: 13 Feb 1860
Abode: Everton
Occupation: Mariner

Seeing as Owen #1 was bp Liverpool St Peter, and that was where they lived in 1861, my vote is for:
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1853
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DAVIES Thomas OWENS Elizabeth Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/27/24
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I am a bit confused about Thomas - a grocer or an insurance agent? He or his wife is credited in family history with the invention / selling of Everton toffee at the Everton football grounds. :-D

this is the one I thought was Thomas in 1891 living in Strickland street Everton

Thomas Davies 70 - widower insurance agent (collector in 1881 which fits)
Owen Davies 23

Hannah seems a bit old there as she was only born in 1867/68 and Elizabeth from the other censuses would only have been 58

1891 census West Derby St Katherine's Elizabeth 61 is a widow with daughter Hannah 28 with green grocer shop.Eliz b Monmouth( where I live now )

where did you find that Elizabeth was born Monmouthshire please.

the 1891 I found Thomas seems to be a widower if I have the right one - son Owen still living with him

there is another Owen Rowland Davies, parents Thomas & Elizabeth baptised 1860, died 1860, father Thomas is a mariner on the baptism on John Owens baptism Thomas is a grocer of Everton

given Oens middle name

???????

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1852
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DAVIES Thomas ROWLANDS Elizabeth Liverpool, St. David Liverpool 2099LP/4/294

edit - found the image and Thomas is a mariner father Thomas, El;izabeths father Owen plus Elizabeth was 'of full age' so born before 1832

also a marriage possibility

groom's name: Thomas Davies
bride's name: Elizabeth Williams
marriage date: 23 Nov 1852
marriage place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
groom's father's name: Thomas Davies
bride's father's name: Richard Williams

or

groom's name: Thomas Davies
bride's name: Elizabeth Allcock
marriage date: 07 Jan 1855
marriage place: Saint Nicholas,Liverpool,Lancashire,England

there are others so a birth certificate really is needed

on that 1855 marriage Thomas was a porter

Thanks will try birth certificate.

Alas censuses say Elizabeth was about 9 years younger than Thomas!

birth certificate of one of the children would confirm -


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Owen Rowland Davies
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1869
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 316



Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Owen Rowland Davies
Birth Date: 13 Feb 1860
Baptism Date: 19 Mar 1860
Parish: Liverpool St Peter
Father's Name: Thomas Davies
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Davies

More detail on that 1855 marriage posted:

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921

Name: Thomas Davies, bachelor.
Birth Year: abt 1832
Age: 23
Marriage Date: 2 May 1855
Parish: Everton St George
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Jones, spinster age 20.
Father's Name: Samuel Davies - Collier
Spouse Father's Name: Charles Jones - Porter

Bride and groom both resided Salisbury Street.

Witnesses Thomas Griffiths and Martha Griffiths.

I thought the Welsh place could read Raglan to tie in with Monmouth.No such place on map.

1891 census says Elizabeth is from Monmouth,the welsh link is confusing.1881transcript also says Thomas from Wales.