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Being Unitarian and a baptism as an adult I doubt we will find anything else re Emma.

Cheers
David

Births were not recorded until 1837 - the baptism is the only record you will be able to see.

Hi Erika

You may well be correct. However John Barnes and a Mary? were alive in 1829 at Emma's wedding to Osborn.

As requested we obtained a copy of the marriage of Osborn Roper to Emma Barnes, which took place at Redlingfield Suffolk and reads as follows:

Osborn Roper of the parish of Redisham single man and Emma Barnes of this parish single woman were married in this church by Licence this twenty seventh day of October in the Year One thousand eight hundred and twenty nine by me John Knevett Curate.
Osborn and Emma both signed
Witnesses were John Barnes, Mary Ann (surname appears to be Roper)? and William Green.

We have the marriage record and Emma's baptism in 1836 which indicates she was born in 1812 in Redlingfield. Finding that record of birth is the one critical one now unless I am missing something that is staring me in the face.

We continue to work on it to find the missing links.

Cheers
David

I don't think you can take it for granted that Emma's parents were alive at the time of her baptism. Their names are on the record merely because they were her parents.

Thanks Mary

As we know John and Mary were both still alive in 1836 at Emma's baptism which is key to the research.

It seems they were members of the Unitarian Church and as Non Conformists not all the information seems to be out there.

I will look at the others.

The below may also be connected but the spelling of Mary's surname varies but this is not unusual as you know.

Mary Folger Barnes
mentioned in the record of Anne Barnes
Name: Mary Folger Barnes
sex: Female
Husband: John Barnes
Daughter: Anne Barnes
Other information in the record of Anne Barnes
from England Births and Christenings

Name: Anne Barnes
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 03 Jul 1796
Christening Date (Original): 03 JUL 1796
Christening Place: Suffolk, England
Father's Name: John Barnes
Mother's Name: Mary Folger Barnes

County Suffolk
Place Debenham
Church name St Mary
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 90
Marriage date 19 Feb 1796
Groom forename John
Groom surname BARNES
Groom condition Single man
Groom parish Redingfield
Bride forename Mary
Bride surname FOULGER
Bride condition Single woman

Cheers
David

Ancestry.co.uk tree so please double check

John Barnes 1736 -1814 and Mary 1736-1817 had Samuel 1772
also John 1766-1845.
John married Mary Foulger 19/2/1896 had 6 children no Emma,Mary died 1829 and John married Eliza Button 18/11/1829.

Don't know if above is correct,just copying what the tree has.

Mary Foulger baptised 11/3/1778 Eye Suffolk by Robert and Mary Foulger

Maryb

Mary. received the photo document. Fantastic thank you.

Erika thank you also for the Ancestry entry.

Chris I have been researching the Buxhall Barnes for a number of weeks and picked up the marraige of John and Mary 1792 however the 1796 Barnes marraige to Mary may well be the one especially with the Grooms parish as Redlingfield.

We are getting closer I believe.

Thanks again to all.

Cheers
David

One below?...

(looking at places, google maps, not far)

Chris :)

Suffolk Marriage Index Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) John
Last name Barnes
Marriage year 1796
Marriage date 19 Feb 1796
Marriage place Debenham
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Foulger
Groom's parish Redlingfield


County Suffolk
Place Debenham
Church name St Mary
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 90
Marriage date 19 Feb 1796
Groom forename John
Groom surname BARNES
Groom condition Single man
Groom parish Redingfield
Bride forename Mary
Bride surname FOULGER
Bride condition Single woman
Witness William THURKETTLE
Witness Ann THURKETTLE
Register note Licence. SRO Fiche 11

https://www.freereg.org.uk/


(Witnesses)

County Suffolk
Place Debenham
Church name St Mary
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 88
Marriage date 15 Feb 1796
Groom forename William
Groom surname THIRKETTLE
Groom condition Single man
Bride forename Ann
Bride surname FOULGER
Bride condition Single woman
Witness Samuel BARNES
Witness John THURKETTLE
Register note Licence. Groom signed William Thurkettle. SRO Fiche 11


(if Mary below)

Baptism
County Suffolk
Place Debenham
Church name St Mary
Register type Parish Register
Baptism date 24 Jan 1775
Person forename Mary
Person sex F
Father forename Robert
Father surname FOULGER
Mother forename Anne

cheers Erika,I saved the handwritten transcript to desk top and copied and sent it by email,but that didn't work it was too for David to read.

Edit Just sent it again,he might be able to read it this time.

Maryb.

This is the entry from Ancestry - ignore the 'Barnes' against Emma's name - it's Ancestry's American way of doing things. The original is Emma Roper, which is correct as she was married by the time she was baptised.

Posting for info, as Mary was unable to C&P.


Name: Emma Roper Barnes
Birth Date: 14 Feb 1812
Gender: Female
Event Type: Baptism
Father: John Barnes
Mother: Mary
Baptism Date: 1 Jan 1836
Baptism Place: Framlingham, Suffolk, England
Denomination: Presbyterian or Unitarian
Piece Title: Piece 3620: Framlingham, Old Meeting House (Unitarian or Presbyterian), 1820-1837

Have you done further research on Buxhall, relating to John and Mary...(can see other Baptisms for them, also Burials for a John 1835 and Mary 1835) was there a Will for that John?...(as said Ipswich Branch of Suffolk Archives would be the one to contact, not seeing a lot online)

Chris :)

(not sure if below was the one with 1792 (4th April) Marriage)


12 August 1835 - Bury and Norwich Post - Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk,

Died
Lately, in the 83d year of his age, Mr. John Barnes, of Buxhall, in this county.


National Burial Index for England & Wales Transcription (Find My Past)

(Buxhall)

(from above his Burial, 4 July 1835)


(Mary, 29 Dec 1835, age 75)


(and John, 15 Nov 1845 (a Baptism for him 1 July 1792, to above couple)


14 July 1832 - The Suffolk Chronicle; or Weekly General Advertiser &

Married
On the 26th ult., Mr. John Barnes, farmer, Buxhall, to Elizabeth Witton. only daughter of the late Mr. Wm Witton, of Ashfield.


(another Son to couple, his Baptism 25 April 1802)


08 April 1829 - Bury and Norwich Post - Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England

Married
On Tuesday last, Mr. Stephen Barnes, farmer, of Buxhall, to Miss Elizabeth Daking, of Boxford.


(and other two Baptisms (Buxhall) both 30 Sep 1798, Robert and William)

I have sent you an email,I hope you get it ok and could you please remove your email address from above.

Maryb.

If you PM me your email I will try and send you the hand written entry for the baptism I have mentioned.
I have saved it to my desk top.

Maryb.

Thanks Mary.

We will now try to locate a confirmed dob for Emma. This is the tough one.

Cheers
David

I made a mistake.I have just looked again and it says John Barnes and MARY his wife baptised Emma in 1836.

Sorry Maryb.

https://www.suffolkarchives.co.uk/services/research-service/

(above have a Research service, not sure how long you would need though!. Would say the Ipswich Branch, Suffolk have more than one)

Chris :)

(a couple of references to him on google search, john barns (and Barnes) redlingfield)


(not sure who below is)

12 March 1825 - The Ipswich Journal - Ipswich, Suffolk, England

Mr. Wm. Chandler, farmer of Athelington Hall, to Elizabeth, third daughter of Mr. John Barnes; of Redlingfield.


(below was about also)

Death
BARNES, JOHN (79)
GRO Reference: 1845 D Quarter in HARTISMERE Volume 13 Page 262


07 March 1846 - The Suffolk Chronicle; or Weekly General Advertiser &

Persons indebted to the Estate of JOHN BARNES, late of Redlingfield, in the County of Suffolk, Farmer, deceased,

I am unable to locate the post at all. Do you have a copy of this at all please?

Not visible on Family Search or Genes Reunited from what I can see.

I am not a member of Ancestry.

Also a bit far to travel from Australia.

Thanks
David

Agreed, further research is definitely required.

The following has already been done in Suffolk. The marriage of Osborn Roper to Emma Barnes, which took place at Redlingfield Suffolk reads as follows:

"Osborn Roper of the parish of Redisham single man and Emma Barnes of this parish single woman were married in this church by Licence this twenty seventh day of October in the Year One thousand eight hundred and twenty nine by me John Knevett Curate.
Osborn and Emma both signed
Witnesses were John Barnes, Mary Ann (surname appears to be Roper) and William Green"

BAPTISM SEARCH
We then searched the baptism register of Redlingfield (Emma gives this as her birth place on most of the census returns) for Emma Barnes between the years 1800 - 1815 no entry was found in this parish for Emma.
The only Barnes baptism recorded in the parish of Redlingfield during the above period was for a John son of John and Mary Barnes who was privately baptised there on 13th May 1804.

On the 1861 census the entry for her birthplace appears to be Bedingfield Suffolk so we also searched this parish 1800 - 1815 again no entry was found for Emma.

It does seem strange Emma being baptised in 1836 but born around 1811/12 however not out of the question.

There is another record of 1817 for an Emma Barnes but the below just doesnt seem right as the 41 census show Emma still at home with her parents. By this time she was married to Osborn.

John Barnes
mentioned in the record of Emma Barnes
Name: John Barnes
sex: Male
Wife: Mary
Daughter: Emma Barnes
Other information in the record of Emma Barnes
from England Births and Christenings

Name: Emma Barnes
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 21 Apr 1817
Christening Date (Original): 21 APR 1817
Christening Place: WITNESHAM,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Barnes
Mother's Name: Mary

The search continues.

Cheers
David

is this the marriage you have seen?

Name: John Barnes
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Marriage Date: 4 Apr 1792
Marriage Place: Buxhall, Suffolk, England
Spouse: Mary Green

Thanks Mary

Unfortunately, I am not on Ancestry. Not to worry I will keep trying. The Barnes lines is proving a little difficult.

Emma from the various censuses was born in Redingfield but confirming a date is the tough one along with her parents although John Barnes and Mary Green look a good bet.

Thanks again for the assistance.

Cheers
David