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MarieCeleste
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27 Dec 2012 17:23 |
BM - as I said right at the beginning, if Annie and George Chamberlain had ever really married (no matter where in the world it happened) then she would have used the name Chamberlain on her marriage to Henry Lewsey. I also said that divorce was almost unheard of back then for ordinary people (it was way too expensive) so if George didn't die until 1918 then she was either legally unmarried in 1906 or committing bigamy (not actually that uncommon). I think the former is more likely.
I really think you should invest in that 1906 marriage certificate.
Where did you find George's death in 1918?
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Catherine
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27 Dec 2012 17:22 |
Just a slight correction for 1911 census:-states having 2 children, not 1 (l living and 1 died)
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GlitterBaby
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27 Dec 2012 17:14 |
Just a guess going by location of 1911
?? Marriages Jun 1901 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BRADSHAW Florence Kensington 1a 441 Chamberlain George Kensington 1a 441 Gosling Eliza Maria Kensington 1a 441 Till Albert Edward Kensington 1a 441
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BradM
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27 Dec 2012 17:13 |
Marie, that is him in 1911. Could the 10 years have been the time he was married to Annie or maybe Catherine?
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Catherine
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27 Dec 2012 17:13 |
George in 1881:-
1881 England Census about George Chamberlain Name: George Chamberlain Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation: Soldier Gender: Male Where born: Marylebone Middlesex, England Civil parish: Aldershot County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address: "Army Hospital Corps Depot" Education:
Employment status:
View image Occupation: Private Army Hospital Corps Registration district: Farnham Sub-registration district: Frimley ED, institution, or vessel: Depot Army Hospital Corp Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 785 Folio: 58 Page Number: 3 ...................................................
1891?
1891 England Census about George Chamberlain Name: George Chamberlain Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Marylebone, London, England Civil parish: Hammersmith Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: Painter Glazier
Registration district: Fulham Sub-registration district: St Paul Hammersmith ED, institution, or vessel: 35 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 40 Folio: 183 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age Sarah E Carr 53 Lizzie Carr 24 Sarah E Turner 75 George Chamberlain 39
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BradM
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27 Dec 2012 17:11 |
Having looked at George Chamberlain in the census's he never seems to live with Annie Aikenhead, neither does he seem to live with a Catherine Kerr.
So what do you think could have happened?
Could he have married Catherine and she died but he then met Annie and had children with her but never married? Or maybe married her abroad?
Seeing as Annie seems to be missing from a census, and George is on the same one (I think) could they have married abroad?
Thanks :-)
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MarieCeleste
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27 Dec 2012 17:00 |
I reckon this is George Chamberlain in 1911:
CHAMBERLAIN, George Head Married10 years M 59 1852 Painter And Glazier Marylebone London
RG number: RG14 Piece: 151 Reference: RG14PN151 RG78PN5 RD2 SD2 ED12 SN125 Registration District: Kensington Sub District: Kensington Central Enumeration District: 12 Parish: Kensington
Address: 14 St Georges Road Kensington W County: London
Married 10 years - who to? Also says one child living, 1 died. (amended)
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Catherine
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27 Dec 2012 16:19 |
This looks to be Ann in 1871:-
1871 Scotland Census about Ann Aitkenhead Name: Ann Aitkenhead Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relationship: Inmate Gender: Female Where born: Aberdeen Registration number: 685/1 Registration district: St George Civil parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts County: Midlothian Address: Magdalene Asylum Occupation: Seamstress ED: 110 Household schedule number: 146b Line: 1 Roll: CSSCT1871_158
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BradM
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27 Dec 2012 16:19 |
Ok thank you.
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MarieCeleste
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27 Dec 2012 16:18 |
Hi BM - the army record is from FindMyPast.
Couldn't resist looking at that 1876 marriage!
He married Catherine Kerr, spinster, a 22 year old domestic servant who lived 27 Primrose Street, Leith. She was the daughter of George Kerr, a baker journeyman and Margaret nee Hunter
George was 24, the son of George Chamberlain, housepainter and glazer, and Rose nee Morgan.
The bounder!!
I guess on the service records he's added Annie's name in front of his real wife's to avoid awkward questions. What a knave.
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BradM
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27 Dec 2012 16:17 |
Marie, thank you for the army record. Maybe he thought that Annie Carnegie Chamberlain's mother's maiden name was Kerr seeing as Annie's father re married Margaret Kerr?
Also, may I ask where you got the army record from?
Thanks. :-)
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GlasgowLass
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27 Dec 2012 16:16 |
Looks like MarieCeleste is right. SP does have an 1876 marriage in Leith, between George Chamberlain and CATHERINE Kerr.
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MarieCeleste
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27 Dec 2012 16:10 |
Might as well post JWG's baptism
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: John William George Chamberlain Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 28 Feb 1889 (born 20 Feb 1889) Father's Name: George Chamberlain - Painter Mother's Name: Annie Chamberlain Parish or Poor Law Union: St John´s Wood St Mark Borough: Westminster Register Type: Parish Registers
Address: 13 Innis Road, Shepherd's Bush
Occupation ties in with army papers.
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MarieCeleste
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27 Dec 2012 16:04 |
There's a rabbit off somewhere! The 1881 posted above shows Annie and Georgina at 144 Clarendon Street.
Found these service records:
British Army Service Records 1760-1915
First name(s): George Last name: CHAMBERLAIN Calculated year of birth: 1852 Parish of birth: Marylebone Town of birth: London County of birth: Middlesex Age at attestation: 22 years Attestation date: 20 April 1874 Attestation corps: Army Hospital Corps Attestation soldier number: 2634 Discharge rank: Discharge corps: Discharge soldier number: The National Archives reference: WO97 / 2480 / 140
In the records it refers to his wife Annie at 144 Clarendon Street BUT under the marriage details it says he married Annie Catherine Kerr on 19 May 1876 in Leith, Scotland
(He was a habitual deserter but temperate, painter and glazer by trade when he attested 1874)
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BradM
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27 Dec 2012 16:03 |
Thank you so much. :-)
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MarieCeleste
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27 Dec 2012 15:54 |
Georgina's baptism, just for background:
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 Name: Georgina Charlotte Chamberlain Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 4 Aug 1881 (born 14 Nov 1880) Father's Name: George William Chamberlain - private soldier Mother's Name: Annie Carnegie Chamberlain Parish or Poor Law Union: Paddington St Mary Magdalene Borough: Westminster Register Type: Parish Registers
Address looks like 27 Cirencester Street
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Catherine
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27 Dec 2012 15:54 |
there also seem to be other children born to this couple:-
child: Catharine Gray Aikenhead name: Catharine Gray Aikenhead gender: Female birth date: 04 Dec 1862 birthplace: SAINT NICHOLAS,ABERDEEN,ABERDEEN,SCOTLAND father's name: Henry Aikenhead mother's name: Charlotte Smith Lawrie indexing project (batch) number: C11168-1 system origin: Scotland-ODM source film number: 6035516
name: Henry Aitkenhead gender: Male birth date: 30 Aug 1864 birthplace: EDINBURGH PARISH,EDINBURGH,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND father's name: Henry Aitkenhead mother's name: Charlotte Lawrie indexing project (batch) number: C11685-2 system origin: Scotland-ODM source film number: 6035516
name: Charlotte Aitkenhead gender: Female birth date: 15 Feb 1866 birthplace: EDINBURGH PARISH,EDINBURGH,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND father's name: Henry Aitkenhead mother's name: Charlotte Laurie indexing project (batch) number: C11685-2 system origin: Scotland-ODM source film number: 6035516
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27 Dec 2012 15:52 |
Re change in Aikenhead family info between 1861 and 1871.
Death of 37yr old Charlotte Aitkenhead, other name Lawrie. Registered in Newington, Midlothian in 1866.
Marriage of Henry Aikenhead to Margaret Kerr in Edinburgh on 27 Oct 1868.
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27 Dec 2012 15:48 |
for info:-
Margaret Forest Aikenhead Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 birth: 16 Apr 1855 SAINT NICHOLAS,?ABERDEEN,?ABERDEEN,?SCOTLAND parents: Henry Aikenhead,? Charlotte Smith Laurie
Ann Carnegie Aikenhead Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 birth: 29 Aug 1857 OLD MACHAR,?ABERDEEN,?SCOTLAND parents: Henry Aikenhead,? Charlotte Smith Lawrie
................so Annie looks to have had a middle name!
Alexander Falconer Aikenhead Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 birth: 14 Jul 1859 OLD MACHAR,?ABERDEEN,?SCOTLAND parents: Henry Aikenhead,? Charlotte Smith Laurie
..................and the child who was not baptised in 1861 census:-
James Archibald Aikenhead Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 birth: 02 Apr 1861 OLD MACHAR,?ABERDEEN,?SCOTLAND parents: Henry Aikenhead,? Charlotte Smith Lawrie
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BradM
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27 Dec 2012 15:38 |
Thank you very much for your help, I will have a look at the census records.
:-)
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