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George Chamberlain's baptism:-

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about George Thomas Chamberlain
Name: George Thomas Chamberlain
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 5 Jun 1853
Birth date: 2 April 1852
Father's Name: George Chamberlain
Occupation: Glass Cutter
Mother's Name: Rose Chamberlain
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bryanston Square St Mary
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers

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a sibling:-

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about William John Chamberlain
Name: William John Chamberlain
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 17 May 1865
Birth Date:- 1 May 1854
Father's Name: George Chamberlain
Occupation: Glass Cutter
Mother's Name: Rose Chamberlain
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address: 98 High Street
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Marriages Mar 1851 (>99%)
Butler John Marylebone 1 211
xxxxxxx Chamberlain George Marylebone 1 211
Cross Mary MARYLEBONE 1 211
Fryer Margaret Ann Marylebone 1 211
xxxxxxx Morgan Rose Marylebone 1 211
Vivian Elizabeth Tivett Marylebone 1 211
Vivian Elizabeth Trivett Marylebone 1 211
Wilshin James Marylebone 1 211
W___ * Marylebone 1 211
Wood Alfred Marylebone 1 211
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London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about George Chamberlain
Name: George Chamberlain
Age: Full Age
Occupation: Glass Cutter
Spouse Name: Rose Morgan
Age: Minor
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 19 Jan 1851
Parish: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: George Chamberlain
Occupation: Glass Cutter
Spouse Father Name: Edwd Morgan
Occupation: Haberdasher
Register Type: Parish Register

Thank you.

Found George with a brother at his maternal grandfather's in 1861:

MORGAN, William Head Widower M 60 1801 Lodging House Keeper Greatworth, Northamptonshire
MORGAN, Mary Daughter Unmarried F 26 1835 Dressmaker St George Hanover Square, Middlesex
CHAMBERLAIN, George Grandson M 9 1852 Scholar Marylebone, Middlesex
CHAMBERLAIN, William Grandson M 6 1855 Scholar Marylebone, Middlesex
HIKEY, Jude Servant Unmarried F 45 1816 House Servant Ireland

Piece: 43 Folio: 77 Page: 11
Registration District: St George Hanover Square
Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square
Municipal Borough: Westminster

Address: 94, Park Street, St George Hanover Square, Westminster County: London

Tried looking for George, Thomas and Beatrice Kerr in 1861 census to see if I could find the family of Catherine.

Think this may be Thomas:-

1861 Scotland Census about Thomas Keer
Name: Thomas Keer
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relationship: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Haddington, Haddingtonshire
Registration number: 706
Registration district: Dunbar
Civil parish: Dunbar
County: East Lothian
Address: Ogilvie's Close
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 86
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1861_134
Household Members:
Name Age
Catherine Hunter 57 born: Samuelston, Haddingtonshire
David White 8
Thomas Keer 4
Peter Tonner 15
Ann Burgess

Anne, the thing that pulls it altogether is George's army service records. That gives his wife as Annie of 144 Clarendon Street and we can see Annie there in 1891 with daughter Georgina. We've also followed that trail.

His service records also give details of marriage to Catherine Kerr and we've followed that trail, too. Maybe she genuinely thought he had died? She later lived with a James Heggie and bore him 3 children (I've done a bit more poking)

The soldier George Chamberlain was a housepainter and glazer before he enlisted in 1874 and resumed that trade after he'd been discharged in 1890.
His records also show that he was posted Edinburgh 22/04/1876 to 04/08/1879.

This is confusing but right from the start, I thought there were 2 different men called George Chamberlain.

One married Catherine Kerr in 1876 and was a soldier.
He was the son of George ( a housepainter) and she was the daughter of George ( a baker)
Catherine died in Edinburgh 1910 ( same parents as 1876 marriage) but if she was already a widow, her husband could not be on a 1911 census..... unless she thought she was a widow ??

That's right Catherine.

I said his father was a housepainter on the 1876 marriage.

According to the 1910 death for Catherine Chamberlain, her father George Kerr was a Baker, not a House Painter ??

Can't see a baptism for Catherine Kerr, but found the marriage of her parents:-


groom's name: George Ker
bride's name: Margaret Hunter
marriage date: 31 Jul 1853
marriage place: Haddington,East Lothian,Scotland
indexing project (batch) number: M11709-9
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 1067848, 1067849
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baptisms for other children to this couple:-

name: George Kerr
gender: Male
birth date: 08 Jun 1855
birthplace: DUNBAR,EAST LOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
father's name: George Kerr
mother's name: Margaret Hunter
indexing project (batch) number: C11706-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516

name: Thomas Hunter Kerr
gender: Male
birth date: 26 Apr 1857
birthplace: HADDINGTON,EAST LOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
father's name: George Kerr
mother's name: Margaret Hunter
indexing project (batch) number: C11709-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516

name: Beatrice Kerr
gender: Female
birth date: 31 May 1859
birthplace: HADDINGTON,EAST LOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
father's name: George Kerr
mother's name: Margaret Hunter
indexing project (batch) number: C11709-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516

...............but no Catherine??

BM - if you look at the marriage details from 1876 that I posted for him you'll see his father was also a housepainter.

Ok thank you.

I know house painter's were not that wealthy but his family was.

Anyway thank you for all your help.

:-)

BM - Housepainters weren't that wealthy! I've already checked the divorce records on the National Archives and there's nothing coming up.

I've just posted the death of his wife Catherine in 1910. He wasn't ever free to marry Annie.

Thank you.

Marie, George's family was quite wealthy I believe, so maybe a divorce isn't out of the question.

Thank you once again. :-)

This family has been niggling at me because there are so many loose ends! Have been doing a load of Scottish research myself so had some spare credits.

Found this death:

7 August 1910 Catherine Chamberlain, widow (!!) of George Chamberlain (soldier) died of carcinoma uteri in Craigleath Poorhouse, Edinburgh. She was the daughter of George Kerr (baker) and Margaret Hunter, both deceased.

The informant was her daughter, J Rutherford of 4 Jamaica Street.

It's not unlikely Catherine!

I think BM needs to get a few certs.

I think that there is a good chance that it is her in 1891 and she is just living with George Carlson, after all it wouldn't be the first time.

I think that 1891 is Annie's children. They're shown as boarders and Anne Carlson is his wife, not sure that it's her.

EDIT: Unless she said they weren't hers and she was minding them!

Not seeing that George Carlson on any other census

This looks to be Annie and her two children in 1891:-

1891 England Census about Anne Carlson
Name: Anne Carlson
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George Carlson
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: ? Wash

Condition as to marriage: M

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: St Paul Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 40
Folio: 195
Page Number: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
George Carlson 32 born: Aberdeen, Scotland (occupation:- Sailor Seas)
Georgina Chamberla 10 born: Paddington, London
William Chamberla 2 born: Marylebone, London
Anne Carlson 33

I presumed this death

Deaths Mar 1918 (>99%)
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Chamberlain George 65 Kensington 1a 182

You're right Catherine, have amended.