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I need to to step back, reflect and come back to this...

...I also need to make dinner!

I will be ordering the certificates londonbelle, im just seeing some of the family over christmas and just thought if i could establish this before going but i wont get the certificates in time, also just trying to establish which is her first...that birth is the one i think

Brummiejan - I will Print this thread out aswell to actually collate any info ive been helped with so to find it easier later once i have certificates .

I havent been able to find out who the other witness is as keep changing my mind what it say lol...Musloe, Mustoe or something else?!

That's my opinion yes, but I might be a bit biased!
As there is such a lot of info, maybe you need to put it to one side and come back to it later - I find a bit of breathing space can work wonders.
The only other query I have is this - have you managed to sort out who is the witness on the marriage cert, other than the Chilton one?
jan

It might be a matter of getting a birth certificate....the following is a contender as Brentford is a likely registration district for births in Hounslow

Births Dec 1845
Wright Emily Brentford 3 24

So the 1861 census for her listed as niece born c1841 Hounslow, and the 1851 census for her listed as Grandaughter born c1836 Hounslow look to be the most correct?

Right, after a quick googlemap search for Stepney/Hounslow, they seem to be about 16 miles apart. So St Georges East doesn't work for birthplace, but having said that she might have been mistaken.
Jan

My head is spinning too Ceri!
We have to be a bit careful as the Emily 1851 might not be daughter to Mary, obviously.
I think the Mary 1861 (mother to William, Walter and George) is probably the same as the Mary 1851. And the 2 Emily's are the same person, but her niece not her daughter. If this is your Emily we still do not have her parents. And her birth year is a bit out. But I feel pretty sure that cousin William is the same one who is living with the Chiltons 1881.
Might be significant (maybe!) that they have named a son Walter, if indeed it is your Emily in 1861, so possibly after her cousin - but the name was fairly popular back then unfortunately.
The other choice is the Emily found by Gins. Not sure about that location though, having little knowledge of London areas.
jan

Looks like Alice Wright married Harry Reynolds

Alice Wright abt 1880 2 Oct 1901 Harry Reynolds Greenwich St Paul

My head is spinning, so are we saying the 1851 census before is not her now? the one where it would appear she was with her mum and grandmother, it said born Hounslow?

Just can't make up my mind about that Cole link Gins.
I think this is the marriage for the couple - I do hope the Alice Wright is a co-incidence or I shall have to go and lie in a darkened room:

Marriages Dec 1901 (>99%)
COLE James Turner Greenwich 1D 1792A

Marriages Dec 1901 (>99%)
CAULE James Turner Greenwich 1d 1793
REDFORD Gertrude Harriett Greenwich 1d 1793
REYNOLDS Harry Greenwich 1d 1793 Scan available - click to view
Wright Alice Greenwich 1d 1793

ST. GEORGE IN THE EAST REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : London.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.1.1926 (to become part of Stepney registration district).
Sub-districts : St. George North, St. George & St. John, St. John, St. Mary, St. Paul.
GRO volumes : II (1837–51), 1c (1852–1925).
Registers now held by : Tower Hamlets.

Table 1: List of Places in St. George in the East Registration District

All the areas in St. George in the East registration district became part of the county of London on 1.4.1889.

Civil Parish
County
From
To
Notes

St. George in the East
Middlesex
1837
1889
See Table 2, note (a).

London
1889
1925


Table 2: Boundary Changes affecting St. George in the East Registration District

Date of Change
Note
Description of Change
Population transferred

1.1.1926
(abolished)
(a)
Lost the constituent parish of St. George in the East to Stepney registration district. 40441 in 1921

Look who Emily is with in 1911, above.

And then this....which matches the area, re baptisim for Emily


Marriages Jun 1848 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ADAMS Mary St. Geo. East 2 60
APLIN Elizabeth Ann St George E 2 60
Clark Joseph St Geo East 2 60
Cole Mary Ann St Geo East 2 60 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
LANDREW John St Geo East 2 60
Plucknett Jane St Geo East 2 60
WILD Henry St Geo East 2 60
WRIGHT John Alderton St Geo East 2 60 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Is this a bingo moment?

Well, it does look like the same family 1851 and 1861, especially given that occupation. The slight anomaly is Mary's birthplace - both say Kent but 1851 says Canterbury, 1861 Ashford.
Obviously we can't be 100% sure this is your Emily, but given William lodging with the Chiltons 1881 I would be willing to go with it. Unfortunately it doesn't tell us who her parents were!
Not sure re. the reg district Gins. bit south for me ... !
Jan

1851 England Census
about Emily Wright
Name: Emily Wright
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Wright
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Wright
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: St George, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St George in the East
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: St George In The East
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 76
Piece: 1549
Folio: 123
Page Number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
John Wright 33
Mary Ann Wright 33
Samuel Wright 9
Emily Wright 7
Maria A Wright 5
John Wright 2


Im confused too! Is anyone any good with reg districts in London please?

Im confusing myself...So despite the census earlier saying that Emily's mother Mary Wright was unmarried she may well have been married or at least taken fathers name and where i thought it was Mary's mother they were living with it might actually be his mother?

I am easily confused Jan!


What about this for her birth? Im not good with reg districts for London


Births Sep 1844 (>99%)
Wright Emily Elizabeth St Geo. East 2 80


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Emily Elizabeth Wright
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 8 Sep 1844 <<DOB Aug 14th 1844
Father's Name: John Wright <<Lighttender
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Wright
Parish or Poor Law Union: St George in the East <<4 Bird St
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

I think that looks promising, i can see this is going to be a sad story with this family :(

EDIT: The Mary Ann Wright on there is a laundress which is what she was on the one we found earlier with Mary Ann Wright, Mary Wright and Emily Wright on?
Only thing is The poss mother we found for Emily on the other one was born abt 1818, and the Grandmother was born abt 1795.
This Mary Ann Wright is described as being born 1821 and aunt of Emily Wright?

Posted that previously Gins - I know why you did, there's a lot here and difficult to sort out!
I proposed that the William G. on that census is the same person lodging with the family in 1881, and perhaps Emily's cousin?
As stated above, he and his brothers are orphaned by 1871 and living in Brentford Workhouse.
I think that 1861 is a strong contender, despite birth year for Emily.
Jan

Has this been posted already?


1861 England Census
about Emily Wright
Name: Emily Wright
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Hounslow, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Isleworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Hounslow
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Isleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 90
Piece: 771
Folio: 110
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Ann Wright 40
Sophia Eliz Wright 34
Walter Wright 4
William G Wright 3
George Wright 4 Months
Emily Wright 20
Ellen Eldridge 19
Ellen M Eldridge 11

So that death for Emily gives her a middle initial of E?!