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Morning both, thank you for the above. I also think Harriet/Henrietta was not married as I couldn't find any Appleby to Appleby marriages and the vicar was probably none the wiser as to her marital status. Older baptisms seem to run in the family, Henrietta and her four sisters were all baptised on 10 July 1853 at Shildon, Co Durham, although one of them was also baptised at Bedale. Thank you again.

I think you are probably right ArgyllGran, but I have viewed baptisms on microfilm, where the vicar has made a point of naming all the errant fathers for the illegitimate children of his parish.
By that time, the standardised PR forms should show an occupation for George, so you never know what you might find.

Whether it's the truth is another matter ;-)

Legally the father could not be named on the birth certificate, if he wasn't around, but I don't think there was a problem with the vicar recording him at the baptism.

I suspect Henrietta invented the father's name to hide the fact that she wasn't married .

The father would not have had to be present at the baptism.
There is no father named on Arthur's birth cert.

It would be good to view the actual image to see what it said about George ;-)

Did you note that Arthur was not a young infant?

Looking online, it seems that St. John's Church closed last year..............

'In December 2022, it was announced the church was to close due to declining congregation numbers and rising running costs, a final service was held on 5 February 2023.'

Ooh Gwyn thank you, the plot thickens.

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On Ancestry ... No image available

Arthur Marcel Appleby
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Detail Source
Name Arthur Marcel Appleby
Gender Male
Birth Date 9 Jun 1872
Baptism Date 25 Sep 1878
Baptism Place St. John, Darlington, Durham, England
Father
George Appleby
Mother
Henrietta Appleby
FHL Film Number 1514595
Reference ID item 3 p 257

Argyll, brilliant, mystery solved. On FS for 1891 it only has Ann, no one else but then I noticed it said relationship to head of household "mother" (I find this quite a lot on FS which is quite frustrating, I wonder if maybe it's because it goes over onto the other page). So much for Arthur Marcer, yet another enumerator not listening properly. Thank you again :-)

Looks like his mother was Harriet, not Eleanor :

Ann Appleby
in the 1891 England Census
Name Ann Appleby
Gender Female
Age 78
Relationship Mother
Birth Year 1813
Child
Harriet Mazhall
Birth Place Kirkby Fleetham, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish Darlington
Residence Place Darlington, Darlington, Durham, England
Registration district Darlington
Sub registration district Darlington
ED, Institution or Vessel 3
Neighbors
Piece 4040
Folio 56
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Harriet Mazhall 42 Head - Bishop Auckland, widow
Arthur Marshall 18 Son - Darlington, joiner
Ann Appleby 78 Mother


"Harriet" was Henrietta:

Henrietta Appleby
in the 1861 England Census
Name Henrietta Appleby
Gender Female
Age 13
Relation Daughter
Estimated Birth Year 1848
Mother's Name Ann Appleby
Where born Bishop Auckland, Durham, England
Civil parish Darlington St John
Town Darlington
County/Island Durham
Country England
Registration district Darlington
Sub-registration district Darlington
ED, institution, or vessel 3i
Neighbors
Household schedule number 194
Piece 3679
Folio 93
Page number 37
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Ann Appleby 46 Head
Elizabeth Appleby 17 Daughter
Clara D Appleby 15 Daughter
Henrietta Appleby 13 Daughter


Henrietta Appleby Marshall
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name Henrietta Appleby Marshall
Age 47
Estimated Birth Year abt 1847
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Death Registration Place Darlington, Durham, United Kingdom
Death Date Dec 1894
Inferred Death Place Durham, United Kingdom
Volume 10a
Page 16

Apparently never married.

Hello Argyll, I had thought Eleanor was his mother but I can't find any records of him after 1881.

His mother Eleanor was not married:

APPLEBY, ARTHUR -
GRO Reference: 1872 S Quarter in DARLINGTON UNION Volume 10A Page 7

Hello Gwyn, yes I've looked on FS but nothing is showing - another mystery but thanks for looking.

The 1881 image is as you have written with no ditto marks after Arthur's surname, which does clearly read Marcer.


Have you looked for a baptism for him?

That might show his parents.

Hello, could someone take a look at the original 1881 census for the following which is from family search and is at Darlington, Co Durham

Ann Appleby 68 widow, born Fleetham, Yorkshire
Eleanor Appleby 49 single born Leeses, Yorkshire
Other people on this record
Arthur Marcer 8 grandson born Darlington

Does the original actually look like Marcer? Are there any ditto marks to indicate his name could possibly be Arthur Marcer Appleby. I can't find anything on FreeBMD or the GRO, although there is an Arthur Appleby born Sept q 1872 Darlington area, no MMN.

I can't find any Appleby to Marcer marriages.

It is just Arthur I am asking about - thank you.

PS - am I right in thinking that at one time you could see the original of the 1881 census for free.

Just logged on, thanks for the 1841 census. Don't know about the two Henriettas, need to investigate that. :-)

Was there two Henrietta's???

Death of first Henrietta?

Deaths Dec 1845 (>99%)
APPLEBY Henrietta Bedale 24 204


Birth of second Henrietta?

Births Sep 1847 (>99%)
APPLEBY Henrietta Auckland 24 6

1841 census -

APPLEBY, Henry M 30 1811 Yorkshire VIEW
APPLEBY, Ann F 27 1814 Yorkshire VIEW
APPLEBY, John M 7 1834 Yorkshire VIEW
APPLEBY, Robert M 6 1835 Yorkshire VIEW
APPLEBY, Ann F 4 1837 Yorkshire VIEW
APPLEBY, Henrietta F 3 1838 Yorkshire VIEW
APPLEBY, Isabella F 2 1839 Yorkshire VIEW
APPLEBY, Clara F 0 (1 months) 1841 Yorkshire VIEW
LONGHORN, Hannah F 20 1821 Yorkshire VIEW
RICHARDSON, Francis M 15 1826 Yorkshire VIEW

Piece: 1250
Book/Folio: 1/6
Page: 5
Registration District: Bedale
Civil Parish: Bedale
Municipal Borough:
Address: Low Leases, Bedale, Aiskew
County: Yorkshire

Hello, could I have a lookup on the 1841 census for Henry, think he is at Bedale reg district, possibly Aiskew village. Thanks.

Thank you.

1871 for Henrietta:

STEWART, Jane L Mistress F 40 1831 Scotland
BROWN, Sarah A Servant F 27 1844 Yorkshire
MCCOMBE, Anna D Boarder F 30 1841 Lancashire
WATSON, Mary A Boarder F 20 1851 Yorkshire
RICHARDSON, Elizabeth Boarder F 35 1836 Lancashire
APPLEBY, Henrietta Boarder F 23 1848 County Durham <<
ONNE, Matilda Boarder F 40 1831 Gloucestershire
LEYMORE, Ann Boarder F 31 1840 Gloucestershire
CURLING, Sarah Boarder F 40 1831 County Durham
HOLLAND, Harriet Boarder F 25 1846 Derbyshire
DURANCE, Lucy A Boarder F 23 1848 Lincolnshire
HENDERSON, Margaret Boarder F 25 1846 Yorkshire

Piece: 4567 Folio: 23 Page: 40
Registration District: Leeds
Civil Parish: Leeds
Municipal Borough: Leeds

Address: St Alban Street, Leeds County: Yorkshire

She was a nursemaid domestic born Bishop Auckland.

Could I have a look up for Henrietta on the 1871 census, there is one in Leeds reg district. Thanks.