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Mila


that doesn't make any sense!


You are saying that your mother's mother was shown on the birth certificate as Rawson


are you claiming that someone made the wrong declaration as to the maiden name of the mother?

Stanley Gittings is not as unusual a name as it at first seems.


I'm beginning to think that you might have Ada Rawson marrying another Stanley.



You really need one of the Australian helpers to take part.


May I suggest that you edit the title of this thread to read Gittings Family Search - Australia


that will attract their attention!


Just click on Edit on your opening post ............... make sure you don't accidently click on Delete, or the whole thing will disappear!!


Then change the title

click Submit






sylvia

This is weird


I found this on ancestry Australian records ........... for which I can only see names because I don't have the world-wide membership


Stanley Gittings
Spouse: Ada M Rawson
F: (Name Unknown)

M: (Name Unknown)
Marriage: 1926 - Victoria, Australia



BUT 1926 was when he was still with your grandmother, wasn't it?



There could well be TWO Stanley Gittings!



You need someone who can access the Australian records.

where did you find the information that Stanley married Ada???


this is all I can find, and I did it by googling his name


Posted By: Ross Rawson
Email:
Subject: Rawson/Oldham 1854
Post Date: August 12, 2004 at 03:51:34
Message URL: http://genforum.genealogy.com/rawson/messages/525.html
Forum: Rawson Family Genealogy Forum
Forum URL: http://genforum.genealogy.com/rawson/

I'm searching for Arthur Rawson(b 1854) married to Ann Oldham (b 1853)family background in England before migranted to Australia in 1880's with their daughter, Lily- Lillie(b 1877). Lily dies in Melbourne 1887. I'm from Geelong, Victoria, Australia, have Rawson family starting Arthur and Ann in Australia. Their son Sydney married to Grace Elizabeth Smout,and their 12 childrens, also their daughter, Ada which I haven't done research on Ada married to Stanley Gittings in Melbourne. Cheers

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Now, If I read that right, Arthur and Ann Rawson emigrated to Australia in the 1880s.

They had a son Sydney after arriving in Sydney, and also a daughter Ada.

No dates given

Ada is said to have married Stanley Gittings.


BUT Ada would have been around 20 years older than Stanley!

WOW,That means he left Australia when my mother was 3 and I am not sure when Stanley married Ada Rawson,all I know is she died March 1954 in Melbourne.Thankyou for the info about Frank.

More proof


Fred Frank is listed in Kelly's Trade Directory of Manchester in 1929 .............

Gittings Fred Frank, commrcl travllr, 42 Laburnum rd Denton

aha!!!


I found Probate reference for a Frederick Gittings

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Frederick Frank Gittings

Name: Frederick Frank Gittings
Probate Date: 3 May 1945
Death Date: 23 Mar 1945
Death Place: Lancashire, England
Registry: Manchester, England

Frederick Frank Gittings of 42 Laburnum Road, Denton ,Lancashire, died 23 March 1945 at Lake Hospital, Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancashire. Administration granted Manchester 3 May 1945 to Fred Gittings, provision warehouse foreman. Effects £135



Deaths Mar 1945 (>99%)

Gittings Frederick F 71 Ashton 8d 1018


so that is Dad who died



and that is the address that Mr S Gittings said he was going to when he arrived back in the UK in 1932



You can buy the will, and find out how his effects were actually left.

That might give a clue to Stanley's whereabouts





sylvia

????????


when did Stanley marry Ada Rawson????


I wonder if this is Stanley returning to the UK??????


Name: Mr S Gittings
Birth Date: abt 1902
Age: 30
Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia
Arrival Date: 27 Oct 1932
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Brisbane
[Sydney]
[Melbourne]
[Adelaide]
[Colombo]
[Plymouth]
Ship Name: Oronsay
Search Ship Database: View the 'Oronsay' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Orient Line
Official Number: 147948



from image:-

Proposed Address in the UK:- 42 Laburnum Road, Denton, Manchester
Occupation:- Salesman
Country of Last Permanent Residence:- Australia
Country of Intended Permanent Residence:- England




sylvia

Thankyou so much MarieCeleste,that is wonderful to read when my Grandfather arrived in Australia.We only know that he met my Grandmother Mona Hughes in the late 1920s and my mother was born in 1929.We do not know what happened only that Stanley married Ada Rawson and must have moved back to England after his wife died.I have found Stanleys brother Fred married Lily Matkin in1928 and I am now searching to see if there were any children from that marriage.Thankyou for your help.

Arrival in Australia:

Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923
Name: Mr Stanley Gittings
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1902
Age: 20
Arrival Date: 18 Dec 1922
Arrival Port: Brisbane and Sydney, Australia
Departure Port: London
Ship: Euripides
Nationality: British

Could this be his outgoing voyage?

Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960

Name: Mr Stanley GITTINGS
Date of departure: 8 November 1922
Port of departure: London
Destination port: Melbourne
Destination country: Australia

Date of Birth: 1902 (calculated from age)
Age: 20
Marital Status:
Sex: Male
Occupation: F'worker
Notes:
Official Number: 133648
Master's name: P J Collins
Steamship Line: The Aberdeen
Where bound: Australia
Square feet: 16447
Registered tonnage: 9399
Passengers on voyage: 779

Address in England had been 42 Laburnum Road, Gorton, Manchester

Jane in 1881, with her parents


1881 Census

Name: Jane Oldham
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward Oldham
Mother's name: Mary Oldham
Gender: Female
Where born: Levenshulme, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Reddish
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 8 Sandfold

Occupation: Cotton Operative

Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Heaton Norris

Edward Oldham 55 b.ca 1826, Denton, Lancashire, General Labourer
Mary Oldham 45 b.ca 1846, Derwent, Nottinghamshire
James Oldham 27 b.ca 1854, Levenshulme, General Labourer
John Oldham 22 b.ca 1859, Levenshulme, Gardener (Domestic)
Jane Oldham 18
Mark Oldham 15 b.ca 1866, Levenshulme, Waiter (Domestic Servant)




The Oldhams in 1871

1871 Census

Name: Jane Oldaham
[Jane Oldham]
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward Oldham
Mother's name: Mary Oldham
Gender: Female
Where born: Leavensulme, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Gorton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick

Edward Oldham 48
Mary Oldham 46
Ann Oldaham 16
James Oldaham 14
Allen Oldaham 12
John Oldaham 10
Susannah Oldaham 8
Jane Oldaham 6
Mark Oldaham 4

Is this Stanley's death registration???


Name: Stanley Gittings
Birth Date: abt 1903
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1962
Age at Death: 59
Registration district: Stockport
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 10a
Page: 630




sylvia

Joseph and Mary's marriage


"England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000," Joseph Harrison Gittings, 1870

name: Joseph Harrison Gittings
event: Marriage
event date: 22 Mar 1870
event place: Christ Church, Crewe, Cheshire, England
gender: Male
age: 21y
marital status:
father: Thomas Gittings
mother:
spouse: Mary Jane Atherton
spouse's marital status:
spouse's father: William Atherton
spouse's mother:
film number: 2105697
digital folder number: 4019010
image number: 729

Citing this Record

"England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ98-HC4 : accessed 03 Nov 2012), Joseph Harrison Gittings and Mary Jane Atherton, 1870.





sylvia

Fred seems to have been called Frank Fred. And Joseph, his brother seems to have been John Joseph

THis seems to be the family in 1881 ....... It is Gittings on the image. Gikings is a mis-transcription


1881 Census

Name: Frank F. Gikings
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph Gikings
Mother's name: Mary J. Gikings
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Bury
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 2 York St

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: North Bury

Joseph Gikings 32 b.ca 1849, Whitehaven, Cumberland, Engine Fitter at Works
Mary J. Gikings 32 b.ca 1849, Warrington, Lancashire
William Hy. Gikings 10 b.ca 1871, Crewe, Cheshire
Frank F. Gikings 6
Thomas A. Gikings 4 b.ca 1877, Manchester, Lancashire
John Josh. Gikings 1 b.ca 1880, Bury, Lancashire
Frank Porter 6 b.ca 1875, Crewe, Nephew





sylvia

Jane and Thomas' marriage ???? ................. from www.lancashirebmd.org.uk


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1889

OLDHAM Jane LATHAM Thomas Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registar Attended Manchester CHO_RM/82/144


and from www.freebmd.org.uk


Marriages Mar 1889 (>99%)

LATHAM Thomas Chorlton 8c 1005
Oldham Jane Chorlton 8c 1005

1901 Census

Name: Fred Gittings
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Gittings
Gender: Male
Where born: London City

Civil parish: Gorton
Ecclesiastical parish: Gorton St James
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick

Fred Gittings 25 Commercial Traveller (Provisions)
Jane Gittings 36 b.ca 1865, Levenshulme, Lancashire
Joseph Gittings 21 b.ca 1880, Bury, Lancashire, Brother, Engineers Labourer

Address:- 806 Hyde Road




????? Jane in 1891, with her first husband


1891 Census

Name: Jane Latham
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas Latham
Gender: Female
Where born: Levenshulme, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Gorton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Gorton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick

Thomas Latham 28 b.ca 1863, Openshaw, Lancashire, Wheelwright
Jane Latham 27 Cotton Comber

Address:-37 Victoria Rd



??? Death of Thomas Latham

Deaths Jun 1892 (>99%)

Latham Thomas 30 Chorlton 8c 485





sylvia

this is from ancestry .......... and indicates that Jane may have been married before


England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940 about Fred Gittings

Name: Fred Gittings
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1873
Age: 20
Father's Name: Joseph Gittings
Spouse's Name: Jane Lathom
Spouse's Age: 26
Spouse's Father's Name: Edward Oldham
Marriage Date: 24 Jun 1893
Marriage Place: Denton, Lancashire, England



form www.familysearch.org/


"England, Marriages, 1538–1973 ," Fred Gittings, 1893

groom's name: Fred Gittings
groom's birth date: 1873
groom's birthplace:
groom's age: 20
bride's name: Jane Lathom
bride's birth date: 1867
bride's birthplace:
bride's age: 26
marriage date: 1893
marriage place: Christs Church, Denton, Lancashire, England
groom's father's name: Joseph Gittings
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name: Edward Oldham
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M17110-1
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1550982
reference number: 2:1QHVJQ0



another record on familysearch shows the date of the marriage as 24 June 1893

from www.freebmd.org.uk

Fred and Jane's marriage ...............


Marriages Jun 1893 (>99%)

Gittings Fred Ashton 8d 667
Lathom Jane Ashton 8d 667

So he had at least one brother!


1911 Census

Name: Stanley Gittings
Age in 1911: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1904
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Gorton
Civil parish: South Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 202 Hyde Rd Gorton
Registration district: Chorlton
Registration District Number: 464
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 106
Piece: 23807

Fred Gittings 37 b.ca 1874, London, Traveller (Provisions)
Jane Gittings 46 b.ca 1865, Levenshulme, Lancashire
Fred Gittings 9 b.ca 1902, Gorton
Stanley Gittings 7


Fred and Jane had been married 18 years, had 3 children, 1 had died




sylvia