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Sue, William George's marriage cert to Margaret would tell you if she had been married previously.

father on the 1897 marriage is noted as William:-

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 about Margaret Garvey
Name: Margaret Garvey
Birth Year: abt 1878
Age: 19
No occupation and no address noted
Marriage Date: 24 Jan 1897
Parish: Walton On The Hill St Thomas
Spouse's Name: James Carter
Age: 18 yrs
Occupation: Labourer
Address: 146 Marine Street
Father's Name: William Garvey
Occupation: Labourer
Spouse Father's Name: William Carter
Occupation: Fireman

Just posting while having a look around

Name: Margaret Jane Carty
Baptism Date: 14 Feb 1900
Parish: Toxteth Park St Gabriel
Father's Name: James Thomas Carty
Mother's name: Margaret Carty


Name: Margaret Jane Carty
Birth Year: abt 1900
Age: 3/12
Burial Date: 14 May 1900
Parish: Walton Park

Could this be Mary Elizabeth's father ?

Deaths Mar 1899
Carty James- 32 - Toxteth Park 8b 139

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in which case he would have been a lot older than Margaret

This could be her:-

1901 England Census about Margaret Carter
Name: Margaret Carter
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: ?woman

Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 90
Piece: 3429
Folio: 34
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Carter 21
Mary Elizth Carter 4

Thanks again...I certainly think William & Elizabeth were Margaret's parents as death records tally with known birth addresses, all around the Toxteth area .

so much great help here, I'm just catching up, haha

Sorry, I'm losing the plot here

Where did Elizabeth come in as Margaret's mother ??

This looks to be the James Carter from the marriage record:-

1881 England Census about James Carter
Name: James Carter
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Carter
Mother's name: Elizabeth Carter
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool
Civil parish: Kirkdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 7 Pleasant View

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Kirkdale
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3681
Folio: 12
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
William Carter 31 - Marine Fireman
Elizabeth Carter 31
John Henry Carter 11
William Carter 8
Riny or Biny Carter 6
James Carter 2
Margaret Carter

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Possible death for James:-


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about James Carter
Name: James Carter
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1904
Age at Death: 26
Registration district: Prestwich
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 272

Mike - Margaret Garvey (who it seems married james Carter and William Leah) was the daughter of William Garvey and Elizabeth (unknown)

I have no further details of this couple other than the fact their first known child John Garvey was born c1873 Liverpool so they may have married around then but I've no idea what Elizabeth's maiden name was.

I'm wondering if this could be the missing James Carter in 1901:-

1901 England Census about James Carter
Name: James Carter
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Patient
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Alverstoke
Ecclesiastical parish: Alverstoke St Mary
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Private in Royal Marines

Condition as to marriage: Maybe not as this one is noted as single

Registration district: Alverstoke
Sub-registration district: Alverstoke
ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Naval Hospital
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 1013
Folio: 32
Page Number: 22

There is a marriage for William Henry Garvey in Liverpool but a bride missing


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Marriages Dec 1870

BRICKLEBANK Thomas Liverpool 8b 212
GARVEY William Henry Liverpool 8b 212
LANE Jane Liverpool 8b 212



possibly this one ..

McCORMICK Elizabeth - Liverpool 8b 21[2]

It could be Mike, again McCormick has never come up in the family history so far but who knows. This one question has already thrown up more possible generations than I knew about, which is great.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1870
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
GARVEY William H MCCORMICK Elizabeth Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/57/224

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1871 England Census about Wm H Garvey
Name: Wm H Garvey
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Garvey
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool
Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mathew
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 133
Piece: 3796
Folio: 17
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm H Garvey 24
Elizabeth Garvey 20
Charles Smallman 29
Margaret Smallman 19

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Margaret Garvey
Name: Margaret Garvey
Baptism Date: 13 Oct 1878
Parish: Toxteth Park St James
Father's Name: William Garvey
Occupation:- Labourer
Mother's name: Elizabeth Garvey
Address: Chapel Lane

Catherine, where did you find this baptism? I wonder if I could find Margaret's siblings there?

Baptism was found on ancestry.

thank you.

All possible siblings:-


John Garvey 18 Nov 1874 Liverpool St Thomas William Garvey, Occupation:- Labourer Elizabeth Garvey Address:- 14 Wolfe St.

Alice Garvey 22 May 7 Jun 1875 Liverpool St Peter William Garvey, Occupation:- Labourer , Elizabeth Garvey - Address: Hanley Street

William Henry Garvey 3 Oct 1877 Toxteth Park St James William Henry Garvey, Occupation:- Labourer, Elizabeth Garvey - Address:- 3 ? Lane

Elizabeth Garvey 6 Sep 1882 Toxteth St Matthew William Garvey, Occupation:- Labourer Elizabeth Garvey - Address:- 5 Bevin Lane (looks like)

Alexander Garvey 28 Jan 1884 6 Feb 1884 Toxteth St Matthew William Henry Garvey, Ocupation:- Labourer Elizabeth Garvey Address:- 5 B? lane

Alexander Garvey 27 Aug 1888 4 Jan 1891 Toxteth Park St Thomas William Garvey, Occupation:- Labourer Elizabeth Garvey Address:- same as others

William Garvey 2 Oct 1892 Toxteth Park Holy Trinity William Henry Garvey, Occupation:- Labourer Elizabeth Garvey Address:- 4 Prince William Street