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Sorry Stuart thankyou for the help given just a little ppeved that when got confused which I do alot people pointthis out I think I have been at this too long so will take a break & see if I can discover if this John does fit in my tree as I do not have a William but thankyou for finding out his birth for me

JC Burman was Lord Mayor in the 1940's


I think you need to try another avenue...............

How did your mother acquire the spoons in question?

That is crucial..............................

Reggie not the only one helping here!

John Charles year of birth already posted

Okay Reggie sorry if I have missed something obvious have recently had neurosurgery and sometimes get alittle confused ther was another Burman who was Mayoor of Birminghamthe son John Charles so I think I confused the two and was looking for wrong time and wrong place so sorry

Which leads to this possible birth registration!
Civil Registration event: Birth

Name: BURMAN, John
Registration district: West Bromwich
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1867
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 610

Thank you Reggie I was looking in wrong county as all the Burmans in my tree were born in Warwickshire ,still not sure where this fits into my tree but I may be looking at wrong mayor Jane Burman married an Edwin Turner and their daughter married a Perks so the Mayor could be through any of these families so I will digest these facts and see what connections I can make once again thanks for your help

A POSSIBLE looking at the 1911 place of birth

1871 census transcription details for: The Vale Hampstead, Handsworth

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 2973
Folio: 68
Page: 7
Reg. District: West Bromwich
Sub District: Handsworth
Parish: Handsworth
Enum. District: 20
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: The Vale Hampstead, Handsworth
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BURMAN, William Head M 38 1833 Warwickshire
BURMAN, Harriet L Wife F 38 1833 Warwickshire
BURMAN, Margaret Daughter F 9 1862 Staffordshire
BURMAN, Louisa Daughter F 8 1863 Staffordshire
BURMAN, William Son M 6 1865 Staffordshire
BURMAN, Bertha Daughter F 5 1866 Staffordshire
BURMAN, John Son M 3 1868 Staffordshire
BURMAN, Thomas Son M 2 1869 Staffordshire
CONNEL, Charlotte Governess F 28 1843 Scotland
GENT, Mary Servant F 28 1843 Warwickshire
BONEHILL, Lydia Servant F 18 1853 Warwickshire
TAYLOR, John Servant M 16 1855 Warwickshire

Marriages Dec 1860 (>99%)
Batchelor Henry Warwick 6d 788
Burman William Warwick 6d 788
Hawkes Harriet Louisa Warwick 6d 788
Shirley Jane Warwick 6d 788

BUT.........his year of BIRTH was listed...........so you could have at least worked on that!

Your original post gave no indication that you'd got the birth year info..................

And there is a whole lot more info on google.............as per the info posted by Stuart!

So, to answer your question...yes, I'm afraid you were missing something obvious..........lol!.

1871 England Census

Name: John Barman
[John Burman]
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Barman
Mother's Name: Harriet L Barman
Gender: Male
Where born: Hampstead, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Handsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Perry Barr St John
Town: Perry Barr
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: Handsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 29
Piece: 2973
Folio: 68
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
William Barman 33
Harriet L Barman 38
Margaret Barman 9
Louisa Barman 8
William Barman 6
Bertha Barman 5
John Barman 3
Thomas Barman 2
Charlotte Connel 28
Mary Gent 28
Lydia Bonchell 8
John Taylor 16

Correction to surname posted in 2010 by someone who referred to the GRO certs........so presumably connected to the family

1901 England Census

Name: Jno B Burman
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Hams Head, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Edgbaston
Ecclesiastical parish: Edgbaston St James
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Edgbaston
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 252
Piece: 2816
Folio: 76
Page Number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
Jno B Burman 33
Henry Burman 27
Bertha Burman 35
Mary H Ellis 40
Clemie Widders 21

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: John Bedford Burman
Birth Date: abt 1867
Age: 65
Port of departure: Mombasa, Kenya
Arrival Date: 13 Dec 1932
Port of arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Mombasa
[Dar es Salaam]
[Beira]
[Natal]
Ship Name: Llandovery Castle
Search Ship Database: View the 'Llandovery Castle' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: The Union-Castle Mail Steamship Co Ltd
Official Number: 148678

I did google name but all I could see was prtrait could not find names of parents which is what I am looking for to see how he ties in with the Burmans in my tree so thankyou Reggie I have seen his portrait but I can not glean from that who his parents are

From another
House of commons constituencies DUDDESTON (BIRMINGHAM)

14 Dec 1918 Eldred Hallas 1870 13 Jun 1926 55
15 Nov 1922 Sir Ernest Varvill Hiley 11 Oct 1868 19 Jul 1949 80
6 Dec 1923 John Bedford Burman 6 Oct 1867 4 Mar 1941 73 <<<<<<<<<
30 May 1929 George Francis Sawyer 1871 27 Aug 1960 89
27 Oct 1931 Oliver Edwin Simmonds [kt 1944] 1897 26 Jul 1985 88
26 Jul 1945 Edith Agnes Wills 21 Nov 1892 7 Apr 1970 77

Includes dates of birth and death and age at death. Also date elected

1911 census

Person: BURMAN, John Bedford Address: 20 Elvetham Road Edgbaston

BURMAN, John Bedford Head Married M 43 1868 Master Printer And C Hamstead Staffordshire VIEW
BURMAN, Elizabeth Vernon Wife Married F 35 1876 Uttoxeter Staffordshire VIEW
BURMAN, John Charles Son Single M 2 1909 Edgbaston Warwickshire VIEW
WILLIAMS, Edith Annie Nurse Single F 28 1883 Childs Nurse Coventry Warwickshire VIEW
BREW, Sarah Dom Servant Single F 36 1875 Cook Brewood Staffordshire VIEW
PETHRICK, Agnes Elizabeth Domestic Servant Single F 26 1885 Housemaid Stour on Wold Glos

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name: John Bedford Burman
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Male
age: 43
birthplace: Hamstead, Staffordshire
record type: Household
registration district: Kings Norton
sub-district: Edgbaston
parish: Edgbaston
county: Worcestershire

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: Sir John Bedford Burman
Probate Date: 5 May 1941
Death Date: 4 Mar 1941
Death Place: Birmingham, England
Registry: Birmingham, England

Address, Tibbington House, Carpenter Rd Edgbaston

Probate to John Charles Burman, manufacturer
Effects £90269 11s 3d

From one of the google items

John Bedford Burman, Esquire, J. P., M.P. for the Duddeston Division of Birmingham since 1923 ; Alderman Birmingham City Council,
b. 1867; m. 1906, Elizabeth Vernon, younger d. of Charles Henry Pugh of Penns, Warwickshire; and has issue —
John Charles Burman, Gentleman, b. 1908.
Re^. — Tibbingtcn House, Carpenter
Road, Edgbaston. Clubs — Carlton, Constitutional ; Union
and Conservative (Birmingham).

Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%)
BROWN Edward Roland Aston 6d 786
BURMAN John Bedford Aston 6d 786
Dale Elizabeth Winifred F Aston 6d 786
PUGH Elizabeth Vernon Aston 6d 786

His birth may simply not have been registered