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Reggie not the only one helping here!

John Charles year of birth already posted

JC Burman was Lord Mayor in the 1940's


I think you need to try another avenue...............

How did your mother acquire the spoons in question?

That is crucial..............................

Sorry Stuart thankyou for the help given just a little ppeved that when got confused which I do alot people pointthis out I think I have been at this too long so will take a break & see if I can discover if this John does fit in my tree as I do not have a William but thankyou for finding out his birth for me

One avenue you could explore.............

Get the hallmark identified...........you would then have, at least, a year of manufacture for the spoons, and where they were assayed

.........and ask your mother how they came into her possession.

Reggie my mother only knows that the spoons were somehow connected to her mother and family hearsay was that they came from Mayor of Birmingham so looked at their surnames and saw one I recognised must admit never thought of having hallmark checked have to wait for someone to take me to town as I live in avillage and not allowed to drive but thanks for advice .At home recuperating thought I would try to delve into family history as this is really my daughters tree but I was just trying to find background rather than names etc

Ahhha !!

I have a 'little book' with all the hallmarks in it! ;-) - I knew it would come in handy one day :-D :-D

Are you able to take a decent photo of the hallmark and mail it to me ??

Mind you, that would only tell you where and when they were assayed - they could have been given to the person as antiques!

Dea Xxx

So the spoons came to your mother from her mother...........who was your grandmother?

I'd love to try to help you to unravel this.............

It's also possible that there's a maker's mark on the spoons...............and, if you're extremely lucky, they could still be in business

My grand mother was a Constance May Perks born 1914 her parents were John Perks born in Bury lancashire and Marion Turner born 1880 Tanworth in Arden Warwickshire which is why I was looking at this branch Marions parents were Edwin Turner and Jane Burman but have had athought Marion Turner died in 1918 of Spainish flu soJohn remarried an Alice Allwood whose family I had not looked at as she is not ablood relative.The Burmans are quite a renowned family in Warwickshire which is why I thought that was the connection but why would my grandmother have the spoons etc if not from a direct ancestor I can only do this for a short time as I loose my thoughts looked back at notes and discovered I had written that John Charles Burman was high sheriff of Nottingham now I am involving robin hood lol
Dea thanks very much for offer I will have to wait for daughter to gethome as not sure how to do photo thing she will be back at $.30

On the silverware there is a lion,D ,an anchor letters A.T.C inside a crown shape does this help?

Maybe you can match the marks on this link...?

http://www.925-1000.com/dlBirmingham.html#M

Gwyn

The anchor is the Assay mark for Birmingham assay office.

ATC Could be the maker's mark

D is the year letter........but, as the alphabet is repeated numerous times in assaying, the exact style of the D, and its 'frame' are crucial to identifying the year

This is the link for Silver hallmarks for Birmingham............

http://www.assayofficeuk.com/esh/

Thanks Gwyn have looked at that link but can not see letters A.T.C but it looks like the anchor means it was made in Buirmingham

The lion and the anchor marks mean it originated in Birmingham (logical really given that he was the Lord Mayor there ;-) )

If there is no Queen's head it was before 1784 or after 1890, or between 1773 and 1783.

The letter D gived the year but the style of the script and the shape of the thing it is marked within are required as they repeat every 25 years or so,

The is no 'Maker' in my book with the initials A.T.C.

I really need the picture if possible.

Dea x

Soorry Reggie missed your post it is a capital D in a square shaped box although the corners are alittle rounde D has acurl coming backward from top when my daughter gets home will get her to photograph it as I have double vision at moment can not see it too clearly Edit will get back tpo you in a couple of hours but went on Birmingham assay office and the D looks like the one from 1852 but not sure how this helps with finding out who my ancestor was who was Mayor but many thanks for all your help Dea Gwyn Reggie and Stuart

Get your daughter to go to the link I posted.................and look under 'date letter'...........



There is a complete list of Hallmark year letters..........she should be able to find the one which matches

You could also try................

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If all else fails................look out for the Antiques Road Show coming to a place near you!

OOOps - sorry Reggie - I am coming on here in and out of doing the ironing and having come back again, I realise that you had already posted the info about the style of the lettering and shape of frame etc which I posted above !

At least we both agree ;-) :-D

Dea Xxx