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Hi, i seem to be struggling to find out info about my great great grandfather John Dougan born 1864. He was married to Mary Ward in Glasgow. Think it was the old monklands area. They had a son John and my great grandfather passed away. My g g grandmother then remarried and had 3 more sons. My grandfathers dad was James Dugan and his wife was possibly Mary Divers. However I cannot seem to find out any info on them. I heard it then goes bk to Ireland. I have found a James and Mary Evers in Ireland who have a daughter but cannot find any details on a son. Hope someone can help me out with this. Thanks.

Have you found them on a census?
Maybe you should get the marriage details from Scotlands People..
Jan

John and Mary ward married in 1885, Old Monklands. The MC would have their parents' names on.

You say Mary Ward remarried. Do you know who to and when?

Hi Emma

Do you know when John (the son) was born please?


x

Welcome to the boards Emma.

Can you please tell us what year your grandfather was born please and was it in Scotland?

1885 DOUGAN JOHN WARD MARY OLD MONKLAND (WESTERN DISTRICT) /LANARK 652/01 0009

If you look at the marriage on Scotlandspeople you should get John's age and the names of his parents (including his mother's maiden surname).

When did John die please? Have you found his death on Scotlandspeople?

How did you find out that John Dougan was born in 1864?

Who was his widow's second husband?

Emma

Your post seems to jump generations.............please could you give some dates for the people whose names you have given

Reggie, I think that Emma has his marriage certificate as I had a look at it on SP.

Married 31st December 1884 John, aged 20 a Coal Miner son of James Dougan, Stoker in a Steam Vessel (dec) and Mary Dougan maiden surname Evers. Mary Ward was 19 years of age. One of the witnesses has signed T. Duggan. Neither John nor Mary were able to sign the register and both made their mark.

This is Mary with her parents in 1871

Name: Mary Ward
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: James Ward
Mother's Name: Janet Ward
Gender: Female
Where born: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 652/1
Registration district: Old Monkland Western District
Civil parish: Old Monkland
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Bartonshill
ED: 11
Household schedule number: 8
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1871_148
Household Members: Name Age
James Ward 33
Janet Ward 32
Janet Ward 12
Thomas Ward 9
Mary Ward 5
Jennie Ward 3
Jessie Ward 1
Hamilton Ward 14
Helen Ward 11

At the moment, I don't see an obvious death for John in the Old Monkland area.

We need Emma to come back and tell us when and where John and Mary's son was born.

1888 GRIBBON THOMAS WARD MARY OLD MONKLAND (WESTERN DISTRICT) /LANARK 652/01 0023


1891

Name: Mary Gribbin
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Thomas Gribbin
Gender: Female
Where born: Bargeddie, Lanark
Registration Number: 652/1
Registration district: Old Monkland Western District
Civil parish: Old Monkland Western District
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 8 Two Storey Land
ED: 11
Household schedule number: 72
Line: 22
Roll: CSSCT1891_317
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Gribbin 26
Mary Gribbin 25
John Gribbin 4 <<< John Dougan's son?
William Gribbin 2
James W Gribbin 1mo

Thanks guys for all ur info. I have just started bk on my tree after 5 years. I had alot of certificates from scotlands people but lost them due to problems with my email address. I had a marriage certificate for John Dougan and Mary Ward. More than sure I had a death certificate aswell. My aunt helped me bk then and her father was John and Marys son and she told me her mother later had more kids when her husband died. Just had a look at ur info there rootgatherer and see u have more children than me so i will have a better look later. Thanks. I think that John and Marys son was born in Glasgow. Not sure where John was born but found info on a sister being born in cork on family search.org. Thats where I have got to.

name: Mary Jane
gender: Female
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place: 607, DOWNPATRICK, DOWN, IRE
birth date: 10 May 1866
birthplace: Downpatrick, Down, Ire
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: James Duggan
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Mary Evers
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C70128-6
system origin: Ireland-VR
source film number: 101125
reference number: 2:Q55BRX

1901 census transcription details for: 2, Store Row, Old Monkland
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 652
Folio: 11
Page: 11
Reg. District: Old Monkland Western
Sub District:
Parish: Old Monkland
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: Old Monkland
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 2, Store Row, Old Monkland
County: Lanarkshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GRIBBON, Thomas Head Married M 37 1864 Brick Moulder
Garnkirk, Lanark
GRIBBON, Mary Wife Married F 36 1865
Old Monkland, Lanark
GRIBBON, John Son Single M 15 1886 Coal Drawer
Old Monkland, Lanark
GRIBBON, William Son M 12 1889 Scholar
Old Monkland, Lanark
GRIBBON, James Son M 10 1891 Scholar
Old Monkland, Lanark
GRIBBON, Elizabeth Daughter F 8 1893 Scholar
Old Monkland, Lanark
GRIBBON, Janet Daughter F 5 1896 Scholar
Old Monkland, Lanark
GRIBBON, Thomas Son M 3 1898
Old Monkland, Lanark
GRIBBON, Mary Daughter F 1 1900
Old Monkland, Lanark

There is 1 John Gribbin born in Old Monkland in 1885 showing on scotlandspeople.

Hi sorry everyone have finally came back to the tree. Still not found much on John Duggan 1864, I had an older relative back then help and now wonder if it's the same Mary ward. They had a son John 1886 my great grandfather he died 1953. However Mary ward married Thomas gribbon but struggling to find if this is the same Mary. Thanks for everyone's help. Hope everyone is well. Emma

Sorry was wrong Mary ward did marry Thomas gribbon seems a mystery as not a trace of John's death anywhere. Alot of people seem to be stuck on this part .

from scotlands people
you need to register and buy credits


DOUGAN

JOHN

WARD

MARY

1885

652/1 9

Old Monkland (Western District)

Thanks I did that. Can't seem to find death certificate for John. He died a few years later. X

What was Mary's marital status when she married Thomas?

What was John's occupation when he married Mary?

EDIT

I see from my earlier post that John was a Coal Miner when he married Mary.

Have you considered that he was NOT deceased when Mary married Thomas? Divorce wasn't really an option for ordinary folk in those days and perhaps they just moved on with other partners and married bigamously.

Yeah it seems he passed In that 3 years as I've came across someone on another site saying he passed at 22 years old. But no death certificate m I've mailed that person hoping they can clear this up. Thanks for ur help and hope ur safe. Emma x