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3 weeks - that's just not good enough, hope you're going to complain ;-)

No I sent for it last week but they say it can take up to three weeks :-(

I have a photo of my grandparents' wedding and so today I have taken a stab at the man who might be Charles and the woman who might be Edith Mabel (assuming she had not already left - they married October 1902). My stab at him is the one who looks most like Lewis John and William his brothers...her because she is sat next to him ha ha!

No sign of that will yet?? Just waiting for the next episode :-D

Jude, if you look at the address on google street view, you'll see they are small terraced houses, looks like they were built around the same time - so what Amanda posted about 78 being uninhabited on 1901 would fit as houses each side were habited (if that is a word). I don't think it was any sort of "establishment", just a house.

Hope the will is useful when it turns up - hopefully not leaving everything to your grandfather, but shedding some light on his life after Edith Mabel. Keep us posted when you get it, interesting family!

Looks like a house to me.

1891 has the road but much shorter and some are names, so cottages I would have thought and then by 1901 they extended the road.

Kind regards
Amanda

Ha ha! Do you know whether it is a house or some sort of establishment?

Jude

Typical of this hobby!

1901 Number 78 is uninhabited

Kind regards
Amanda

Flip here is Beatrice Ann Chadwick in 1911

Name: Beatrice Ann Chadwick
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Clayton, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Droylsden
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 428 Manchester Road Droylsden
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Ashton under Lyne
Registration District Number: 468
Sub-registration district: Audenshaw
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 24383
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Chadwick 40
Beatrice Ann Chadwick 29
Clande Chadwick 10/12
Malcolm George Mathias 3

So not my Beatrice Ann

A mystery within a mystery!

It's Islington Road, not street - it's on FMP, just put in the street name but no other search options.

Not sure, but there's a marriage for Beatrice Ann Matthias to Thomas Chadwick in Salford, Lancs in 1908 - can only see one other birth for Beatrice Ann, in Hull but that one died as an infant. So it may be her, "up north" Haven't found the couple on 1911 census though.

Mary Martha's marriage, Polly could just be a nickname:

Marriages Sep 1888 (>99%)
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Gunter Paulina Newport M 11a 321
Jones Thomas Alfred Newport, M. 11a 321 <<<
Mathias Mary Martha Newport,M. 11a 321 <<<
Walter Philip Newport M 11a 321

Yes that is the census I have for Beatrice. I have not got a Mary Martha - but I do have a Polly who appears in 1881 aged 11 about whom I have nothing before or after! Perhaps I'll have a play later. I found number 78 in 1911 census but haven't managed to even find Islington Street in 1901!

Jude

Had a look for Beatrice in 1901 to see if she was in Bristol, but think this is her with older sister (there's a birth for Mary Martha Matthias in Newport 1869) - so no lead on the Bristol connection from this:

Beatrice Mathias
Age in 1901: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Christchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Caerleon
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Newport (Monmouthshire)
Sub-registration district: Caerleon
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 38
Piece: 4953
Folio: 112
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Martha Jones 30 <<Maternity nurse, born Newport
Gwendoline Jones 10
Beatrice Mathias 27 << Sick nurse, b Newport
Charlotte Morgan 36

Thanks - I think it also says Southville and there's definitely a number 78 now (as Flip says)

Jude

Hi Jude,

Have checked both years but no Number 78 is listed so maybe the road was renamed or the numbers were.

I am happy to help more if I can but there is nothing under Somerset and Islington.
Sorry it's not the news you wanted.

Kind regards
Amanda

Flip - thanks. Have altered the title.

She married as Edith Mabel. Sent for his will today.

Anyone new!!!!!! Charles David Llewellyn and Edith Mabel Matthias married in Bristol - Edith Mabel's address was 78 Islington Road Bristol. She was in Newport in 1891 and subsequently in 1901.

So can anyone find who was living at that address in 1891 and 1901 - whether it has any relevance/bearing I do not know!

Thanks

jude

I can't do an address search - you need someone with FMP sub, I tried looking for her in 1891 but didn't have any luck I'm afraid. Did she marry as Edith Mabel or Mabel Edith?

78 Islington road is a 2 bed terraced according to Zoopla, I had wondered if it was a boarding house/hotel and she may have been a servant - but doesn't look like it. Try changing your title to include "1891 address search" & someone may be able to help more.

Looked at FMP, and can't see an Islington Road in Bristol in 1891, but it is there in 1901 - although 78 isn't registered. So maybe a 1891 mistranscript? I can't view details without a sub.

And so today the marriage certificate arrived...

and very illuminating it is!

It is certainly him - father is Lewis, my great-grandfather (Lewis John it seems - something new but as he was born before 1837 I don't have a birth certificate) and her father is William which fits with my research (as her being the Newport birth not the Bedwelty birth). Witnesses were William Llewellyn - his brother- and B. Matthias which I assume was her sister Beatrice.

The interesting thing is his address was The Elms, Corporation Road Newport - which was where his mother, my grandfather and his sister were living in 1901 census.

They married in Bristol and Edith Mabel's address was 78 Islington Road Bristol. She was in Newport in 1891. So can anyone find who was living at that address in 1891 and 1901 - whether it has any relevance/bearing I do not know!

I will be sending for the will...but I went to do it yesterday and my cheque book had run out!!!!!!!!! New one applied for but as they ONLY accept cheques :-(

Jude

Yes! I am going to send for the will - watch this space!

So, I wonder who Eva from the probate record was? A bt of luck your grandfather registering the death - otherwise you couldn't have been sure it was the right one!

Well - infuriatingly as normal - one of the two certificates ordered at the same time has arrived...without the other one :-S

Anyway it's the death certificate...and it is him. The informant was my grandfather. Charles died at 45 Wellington Road Bridgwater on 02 May 1926 aged 47. A combination of rheumatoid arthritis and flu!

His occupation is retired licensed victualler. The White Hart btw is still there but no longer a pub. It was famous in its day as it was on the site of the cattle market and used to open at six in the morning!

I only looked for deaths for Mabel/Edith and Mervyn. Children were my next challenge. Tenuous death in 1958 for her in Stockport but nothing for a Mervyn.

Hoping to get certs on Friday!

Jude