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Or, did women get the vote when they were 30 (from 1918) - I have this in the back of my memory banks somewhere!

I looked at likely candidates for Eva Bevan in the time frame I suggested - there is 1 born 1893 Hampstead, 1 in 1899 Shardlow (I think they both married in area) and 2 in Bedwelty - 1898/1900.

All - thanks.....oh well poor old Eva!

Eva Bevan does not show on the electoral rolls that I have checked. But women were not given the vote until 1928 unless they owned the property or were university graduates and I'll bet she was neither!

So if she appears on an electoral roll before 1928, then it will be because she inherited 45 Wellington Road in 1926.

Going back to Eva Bevan of Clytha Park Road - it says she was born in Monmouth

so there's this one...

Name: Eva Bevan
Registration Year: 1880
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Monmouth
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 35

But I can't find her in 1911......

Aaaghhh.....so frustrating! I'll come back when I have managed to get to the library! And will try emailing Taunton in the meantime

Jude

I know you're not looking for him, so won't post - but he's re-married and on 1920 census with Vera I Gilbert in San Bernardino - she was named as Verna Irene on his us draft card. First arrive in US in 1909.

So Jude, I think back to the drawing board with Eva Bevan - looks like they are 2 different people, so we have no idea of her age.

ADDED: If we know she was living with Maria/Charles in 1922 you have checked the ERs, so that would indicate she was under 30 I think. She must have been "of age" to get probate in 1926 (otherwise it would have been a joint probate with another) - so does that narrow her birth to c1892-1905?

US Draft card:

John Kerry Gilbert
County:San Bernardino
State:California
Birth Date:9 Feb 1886
Race:White
Draft Board:1

He looks to have gone first in 1909.

I think Chris is right, I looked at that marriage, but couldn't find them in 1911 for any confirmation. But the newspaper announcement would confirm it!

Think John Kerry Gilbert ended up in US, I'll try to find him again. I discounted this because I couldn't find them in 1911, but I think Eva died in 1913 Newport.

Marriages Dec 1907 (>99%)
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EDMUNDS Eva Cardiff 11a 689
GILBERT John Kerry Cardiff 11a 689


http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/page/view/3433718/ART161/elvira%20edmunds


http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/page/view/3644802/ART28/eva%20gilbert

(article on Wedding)

(not sure on above, but if Eva Edmunds 1882 Newport, is the one on 1891 at 39 Capel Street, Newport Daughter of Daniel and Elvira, then above could relate)


Marriages Sep 1864 (>99%)
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Edmunds Daniel Newport M 11a 261
Price Elvira Newport M 11a 261

(image on FMP)


(apologies if already in 'Thread' somewhere!)

Chris :)


http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/home

(probably a lot more on above, but not easy to narrow things down at the moment, fairly new I think)

http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/page/view/3379706/ART231/elvira%20edmunds

(Sister) edits (says Married 24th July, New York)

Pre 1974 ERs are held in full (except Bath) at the Taunton records centre according to this.

http://www1.somerset.gov.uk/archives/Leaflets/ElectoralRegisters.pdf

You could try phoning them (01823 278805) or e-mailing.

I can't find Eva Edmunds or Bevan in 1911 sorry.

Does anyone live near enough to look at the electoral registers for 45 Wellington Road Bridgwater in 1926?

Jude

In 1911 Elvira (mother) Edmunds states 11 children 9 living and 2 died.....so I have 11, I know which two died and Eva wasn't one of them.

So where on earth is she in 1911?

I am going to try and have a couple of hours in the library soon to check on electoral rolls...especially to see if I can find Charles before he moved in with Maria in 1920 at 36 Constance Street.

Am going to re-title the thread after this post to see if anyone lives local to Bridgwater....

No Choccy....my elder daughter is 30 :-) And I certainly wouldn't have appreciated being called middle-aged at 36! (It's bad enough that now I am 56 I actually am........)

Yes as Flip says on the other thread - what a coincidence!

Jude

My daughter's 36 and she wouldn't thank me for calling her middle aged!!

My unintentional help on your other thread is noted :-D

Flip...it just says L.J. Llewellyn Brother In attendance and then his address in Newport. Suspect it fell to him because, other than Alfred who was in an asylum, he was the only surviving brother as Thomas had died in 1899 and William in 1919. Sisters Maria and Jane were both still alive but they were (a) women!! and (b) both profoundly deaf.

It's all conjecture of course but I can't help thinking that he and Eva were living together as man and wife with Maria in Newport and then when Maria died, under the terms of her will, 36 Constance Street was left equally to Charles and his sister Jane to live in and so I suspect it was sold and shared between them and that he and Eva Bevan moved to Bridgwater (though goodness knows why)!

Choccy - when I was a child my mother was in her mid thirties and I thought she and all her friends to be "middle-aged"! Of course nowadays you wouldn't apply that to someone in their thirties but then....she would have been 36 in 1918.....might follow it up. Clytha Park Road is in exactly the right area for where Eva Edmonds came from but it is nowhere near Constance Street...but checking what I wrote earlier, only Maria is at Constance Street up to 1919 and Charles joins her in 1920....maybe with Eva in tow after she completed her two months!

Just dowloaded the whole page and there was also an article about a Seaman's Widow....who was also the subject of a previous thread - and if I had found that earlier then it would have answered a few of the questions we solved between us on that thread lol!

Sorry Jude, had a read through to refresh my aging memory ........but nothing new coming to mind.

Wonder why your grandfather registered the death - he didn't live in Bridgewater at that time did he? What qualification was given for him to register the death?

Just also wonder whether Eva Bevan/Edmonds are not the same person - we don't know how old Eva Bevan was apart from thinking she was previously Eva Edmonds. If Charles had rhumatoid arthritis, could he have needed a nurse - and Eva was that nurse? Just a thought. I think your only hope is to get the ERs checked out for 45 Wellington Road if you can find someone local. Maybe Charles was living with her, rather than the other way round, and she owned the property? (though doubtful if she had lived with his mother)

I know Charles put 1 child died on 1911 census, but Mabel/Edith didn't ... but maybe she read the census correctly and only declared the children to her current relationship..

Have no idea if this is connected!

Eva definitely wouldn't be middle aged!


Western Mail, Cardiff - 16th March 1918

Eva Bevan, a middle aged woman, of Clytha Park Road, who said she was a native of Monmouth, was at Newport sent to prison for 2 months on charges of obtaining provisions by false pretences.

I really want to try and sort this one out! I am convinced that Eva Edmunds/Edmonds - maybe childhood friend of Charles - was Eva Bevan "lately of 36 Constance Street".

So she lived with Maria and Charles in Newport. She doesn't show on the electoral rolls because she was a woman and didn't own the property. As far as I can see Eva Edmunds disappears after 1901 and Eva Bevan doesn't exist .

Mabel Edith/Edith Mabel had gone to Bury by 1908 where her first daughter was born. So sometime between census 1901 and census 1911 she went off to Bury and he moved Eva in...

She (Eva) had a child that died if his 1911 census is to be believed...but where is she in 1911?

Fresh eyes two years on :-)

Well today Maria's will came (and it only took two weeks) :-D

And she obviously had her doubts about him!!

The will was originally written in 1906...and although she appears to have divided her estate between her children, where Charles David was concerned, she determined that the trustees would "stand possessed" of his share and to pay him an income from it.

Then there was a codicil when the first of her executors died...and in this she gave him the use of all furniture belonging to her at 36 Constance Street and that income payable should be paid weekly - this was in 1919.

And then a year later she added a second codicil bequeathing the leasehold of that house to him and his sister as joint tenants and that if either declined to live there that the house be sold and the proceeds divided equally between them.

Not quite ready to give up on this!

On the case of the child that died, punt on Eva Mary failed. Assuming the child was not with Mabel Edith, who does not declare a child that died in 1911 in Bury - well I have to make some assumptions! - then there are another six possibilities of children born and died in Newport between censuses. Bit too pricey for me :-)

On the case of Charles and Eva - be she Edmonds or Bevan....the will states "late of 34 Constance Street" but I never find her listed on electoral roll. So can somebody just confirm my understanding of electoral reform please?

Charles would have been 21 in 1900. But only men of 21 who owned property with a rateable value of £10 or more per year were able to vote - so he wouldn'e be on electoral rolls (as I am fairly sure he did not own property).

In 1918, women of age 30 were able to vote if they owned property or were university graduates. Hence I find Maria in 1918 onwards until her death in 1922.

Also in 1918, all men aged 21 had a vote irrespective of qualification. Hence I find Charles David when he moves in with Maria in 1920. And, if I knew his address prior to this would probably find him from 1918.

Now Eva - if she lived with Maria and Charles at 34 Constance Street did not own the property so irrespective of age she would not be on the electoral roll.

So the ONLY chance of finding Eva Bevan on an electoral roll before 1928 is IF Charles David owned 45 Wellington Road Bridgwater and she inherited it and stayed there after his death in 1926.

Which of course is (a) a big if and (b) a very small window! ....oh roll on 1921 census being released! :-D

Oh Tess...very droll!

Yes it was a good feeling!

Jude

At last! you have got a good cert! In fact a dead cert, good cert.!

If you are like me you leapt up and down (or an approximation of leaping), when you opened the envelope. :-D :-D :-D

Well Eva Mary bombed....She was the daughter of George William Llewellyn and his wife Mary Ann nee Williams. No relation as far as I know and certainly not Charles' daughter!

But struck gold with Mabel Edith Jenkins. She was the widow of Albert Jenkins (licensed victualler - so he changed from insurance salesman to dental technician to (presumably) licensed victualler before being killed in WW1.

Informant was daughter Vera Rose Jenkins present at the death at 48 Oxford Street Preston. She died on 25 July 1941 allegedly aged 55 years...so Vera Rose got this wrong - she was around 8 years older.

Looks like they moved to Preston at some point where Edna got married in 1940, Mabel Edith died in 1941 and Vera Rose got married in 1947

Jude