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29 Sep 2012 15:29 |
Not seeing anything conclusive for the others on the Australian arrivals (or earlier ones).
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29 Sep 2012 15:20 |
Kathryn, re: the ages altered on the 1911 - it's only Catherine and John's that was altered, the girls weren't yet they're vastly different.
How can you know which is the correct ages for them (on 1901 or 1911)? Does your colleague have any more info? Does he know when any of them died so we can try to verify age from death record?
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29 Sep 2012 15:08 |
and finally:
Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Name: Rev Wm NOLAN Date of departure: 11 April 1913 Port of departure: London Destination port: Sydney Destination country: Australia
Date of Birth: Age: Marital Status: Sex: Male Occupation: Notes: Passenger recorded on: Page 32 of 39 Ship: ORVIETO Official Number: 129628 Master's name: W S Shelford Steamship Line: Orient Line Where bound: Australia Square feet: 15116 Registered tonnage: 7421 Passengers on voyage: 981
No occupation given but seeing as he's a Rev it gives us a clue! Previously lived Ireland. No age, just indicated as adult.
EDIT: Found his arrival in Australia and his birth year was c1876.
None of the above three records give any indication of previous addresses or next of kin.
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29 Sep 2012 15:04 |
and another:
Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Name: Wm NOLAN Date of departure: 15 March 1912 Port of departure: Liverpool Destination port: Melbourne Destination country: Australia
Date of Birth: 1880 (calculated from age) Age: 32 Marital Status: Married Sex: Male Occupation: Farm Lab Notes: Passenger recorded on: Page 26 of 32 The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: - Florence NOLAN age 21 Margaret NOLAN age 1 Wm NOLAN age 4 Ship: IRISHMAN Official Number: 11051 Master's name: Thos Howell Steamship Line: White Star Where bound: Australia Square feet: 32094 Registered tonnage: 8612 Passengers on voyage: 1294
Those other Nolans are his wife and children. They are listed as English, not Irish. The person doing this list does seem to have put other passengers in the appropriate columns.
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29 Sep 2012 15:01 |
This is one of the outgoing records:
Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Name: Wm NOLAN Date of departure: 26 July 1911 Port of departure: London Destination port: Melbourne Destination country: Australia
Date of Birth: 1878 (calculated from age) Age: 33 Marital Status: Single Sex: Male Occupation: Farm Hand Notes: Passenger recorded on: Page 7 of 19 Ship: GEELONG Official Number: 118426 Master's name: D C Simmonds Steamship Line: P & O Branch Service Where bound: Australia Square feet: 14502 Registered tonnage: 5029 Passengers on voyage: 736
He's listed in the English column, not the Irish. But, also next to him in that column are a Murphy and a Kavanagh so don't know if the person doing the list was just lazy and put everyone as English.
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29 Sep 2012 14:59 |
Came across this, don't know if it's your William but thought I'd post in case it's useful later on.
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 Name: William Nolan Death Date: 16 Dec 1925 Death Place: Queensland Father's Name: John Nolan Mother's Name: Catherine Registration Year: 1926 Registration Place: Queensland Registration Number: 000014 Page Number: 1312
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Kathryn
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29 Sep 2012 12:09 |
Hi, am back now. Have posted a message on some other threads and hopefully someone reply at some point. Does anyone please have subscriptions to Find My Past that could possibly look at the William Nolan's leaving England for Australia. I typed in Williams name, birth 1880 plus/minus 5 years and going to Australia. There are three, one birth date 1878, one 1880 and one unknown.
Have now found Catherine and the other siblings in the 1911 Irish Census, no wonder I couldn't find them before. As you say their ages have been tampered with, not sure why that would happen but it puts them way out of the proper age.
Thank you in anticipation.
Kind regards
Kathryn
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Kathryn
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28 Sep 2012 21:38 |
Hi, once again thank you for your time and help. I too have to go now as I have to be up really early tomorrow but will be back at my computer around 11am if anyone is willing to help with this quest please.
Kind regards
Kathryn
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MarieCeleste
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28 Sep 2012 20:58 |
You're very welcome Kathryn!
This thread has some good tips about Irish research http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/951721
You could also have a look on FamilySearch https://www.familysearch.org
Ancestry also has quite a lot of Irish records. I have to go now but am sure someone else will have a look on there for you. If not, I'll look tomorrow.
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28 Sep 2012 20:44 |
Hiya, yes this is the family. I have a copy of the 1901 Census and note from what you say about the 1911 Census about the ages, I couldn't find them in the 1911 Census. Will have to look again.
Now, you see William is not there. I do not have credits for FMP but there are a few Williams who travelled to Australia whose birth were circa 1882. Is there any where I can find the dates of birth for the children, especially William as he is the mystery one that my colleague is looking for. He says William definitely went to Australia and he thinks he didn't marry before he went. I know it is so difficult to search in Ireland. I note also even from the 1901 Census that William's father, John is not on the Census. Perhaps he died prior to 1901 or was working away but if I remember rightly it didn't say on the 1901 Census that Catherine was a widow then.
Kind regards
Kathryn
Sorry, I meant to say firstly thank you for your time and help.
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MarieCeleste
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28 Sep 2012 20:13 |
Well, this looks like them in 1911 but the ages are all over the place!
Residents of a house 1 in Lisnaball (Lisgarve, Roscommon)
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living
Nolan Catherine 69 Female Head of Family R Catholic Co Roscommon Farmer Read and write - Widow - - - - Nolan Mary Anne 39 Female Daughter R Catholic Co Roscommon - Read and write - Single - - - - Nolan Bridget 35 Female Daughter R Catholic Co Roscommon - Read and write - Single - - - - Nolan John 34 Male Son R Catholic Co Roscommon Farmers Son Read and write - Single - - - -
Kathryn - the 1901 & 1911 Irish census are free to search and view http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie
Looking at the original form someone has definitely tampered with some of the ages. Catherine's was definitely 60 before it was changed.
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28 Sep 2012 20:06 |
Hello Kathryn - where were they on that 1901 census?
EDIT - Found them in Ireland
Residents of a house 2 in Lisnaboll (Lisgarve, Roscommon)
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Nolan Catherine 50 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Housekeeper Can read and write Irish and English Married - Nolan William 19 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Farmer Can read and write Irish and English Not Married - Nolan John 18 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Farmer Can read and write Irish and English Not Married - Nolan Marianne 20 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Scholar Can read and write Irish and English Not Married - Nolan Bridget 17 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Scholar Can read and write Irish and English Not Married -
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28 Sep 2012 19:33 |
Hello, I am trying to trace William. His mother was Catherine Nolan, husband John Nolan (apparently Catherine's maiden name was also Nolan). William's other siblings were John, Bridget and Marianne. Sadly I do not have dates of births for any of this family but on the 1901 Census Catherine is given as 50, William as 19, John as 18, Marianne as 20 and Bridget 17. So far as I know they were all born in Co. Roscommon and it is thought that Catherine and John married in or around 1878 could plus or minus a few years either side of this date. Am trying to help a work colleague whose ancestors these are.
He knows what happened to all the siblings apart from William although he doesn't know dates etc.
He says that William also known as Bill and Willy left Ireland and travelled to Australia, not sure when but he believes not long after 1901. Also not known if he travelled from Ireland or came to England to sail. If anyone finds anything then I will post a thread on the Australia board on Ancestry.
I can't seem to find the rest of the family in the 1911 Census, if anyone can find anything then please let me know.
I have also posted this message on the Ireland Board on Ancestry.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Kind regards
Kathryn
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