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Different fathers but both bootmakers?

Jude

Lilly Rosabel died 25/10/1929 probate 19/11/1929 and again on some settled lands? 7/6/1956.



1911 John Gullick a gardener/Domestic
Lilly Rosabell Gullick cook/Domestic married 7 years.

The plot thickens

John Gullick 1st wife = 1903 Honiton Devon -- Dec Q 5b 37 to Lily Rosabel White born1876 Westminster she died Dover left a will. 1924---7 [forgot to put date down]
left to John Gullick --Grocer


1911 in Bromley
John Gullick 37y Sawyer born south Petherwin Cornwall
Lily Rosabel Gullick 35y born Golden square London - no children

1881 census Upper John St Westminster


Reg. District: Westminster
Sub District: Golden Square
Parish: St James Westminster
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 4, Upper James St, St James Westminster
County: London, Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
WHITE, Robert Head Married M 45 1836 Bootmaker
London, London, Middlesex
WHITE, Mary Ann Wife Married F 35 1846
London, London, Middlesex
WHITE, Mary Ann Daughter Single F 12 1869
London, London, Middlesex
WHITE, Robert F Son Single M 10 1871
London, London, Middlesex
WHITE, Georgina Daughter Single F 8 1873
London, London, Middlesex
WHITE, George William Son Single M 7 1874
London, London, Middlesex
WHITE, Lilly Rose Daughter Single F 5 1876
London, London, Middlesex
WHITE, Mary Ansel Daughter Single F 3 1878
London, London, Middlesex
ALLEN, Robert Daughter Single F 2 1879
London, London, Middlesex
WHITE, Sarah Susan Daughter Single F 1 1880

I now wonder is Alice Lavinia White connected some where to this family ???

Mavis

Still cant pinpoint her death as a Gullick !!!

Dover Express 13 July 1934

on 11th July 1934 at the Registry Office John Gullick to Alice Lavinia Lacey or White


Mavis

Thats interesting -- might have different father details or one you can read !!!

Mavis

New information has come to light.

She died as a Gullick.

I have managed to find a marraiage reference for a Joh Gulick to either an Alice L White/Lacey coincidence or what. 3rd Quarter 1934 Dover Kent, Vol 2a 3947. I shall be ordering this very soon.

Candis

Yes - just trying to eliminate

.....there are 3 births 1878 / 1880 for Alice Lavinia White 2 in Sunderland and 1 in Stroud Glous. - but as we have only found her on 1 census hard to say where she may be from....

I have found Florence with Edmund...so Alice Lavinia born Stroud married Arthur Franklin. But all irrelevant as we are looking for a Londoner!

She was a spinster on the marriage to Nicholas Lacey in 1915

Sorry - missed that!!

THis is I guess the Stroud Alice Lavina

Marriages Dec 1905 (>99%)
FRANKLIN Arthur Sidney Stroud 6a 703
HAYNES Florence Edith Stroud 6a 703
HOGG Edmund James Stroud 6a 703
WHITE Alice Lavinia Stroud 6a 703

HI

I posted the marriage further on up.

Hey ho the hunt carrys on I wonder if she was born something else but what the mystery carries on.

Thanks Mavis

Candis

Candis already has that Alice is 35y her father is Henry William White Boot/Boat maker -- marriage -- 1 May 1915

I would say her marriage certificate to Nicolas Lacey would be a good buy! It should show her father's name.

Jude

Mavis is right, this particular Alice White did marry Frederick Donovan.
The address on the 1898 marrige cert is 62 Maidstone Street , and I can also find this Alice and Frederick Donovan with their own children on census returns up until 1911.
Your Alice cannot be the daughter of William and Elizabeth after all.

Anne

That Alice married 25 -12 1898

Frederick James Donovan 20y
Alice White 20 father William White --shoemaker

on 1901 and 1911 Census

Mavis

Ahh Anne

Thanks for that. It migh be best if I odrer the MC between William White & Elizabeth Creasy sorry it has just taken me to now to make the connection with the cenuses posted above by yourslef and Polly pocket to Herny William Alices father.

The unravling begins.

Thanks
Candis

Candidiasia
Re looking for a birth for Alice White.
The 1911 census states that her place of birth was... London
Pollypoppet already posted a census that fitted. The father was called William and he was a Boot Maker.
I am reposting for reference

1881
Name: Alice White
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William White
Mother's Name: Elizabeth White
Gender: Female
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Leonard
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 80 Maidstone St
Education:

Employment status:
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William White
Mother's Name: Elizabeth White
Gender: Female
Where born: Haggerston, London, England
Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address

Employment status:

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Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerston
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 253
Folio: 168
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
William White 39 b London/Haggerston. Occ: Laster in Boot Trade
Elizabeth White 38
William White 19
Elizabeth White 16
Alice White 12
Jane White 8
Arthur White 6
James White 2
Fred White 4/12


1901
Note that daughter Alice is no longer in household


Name: William White
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Haggerston
Civil parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine Haggerston
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address.

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Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerston
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 257
Piece: 280
Folio: 47
Page Number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age

William White 49 Haggerston. Occ Laster/Shoe Maker
Janey White 18
Arthur White 15
James White 11
Frederick White 10


There is an 1870 marriage between a William White and Elizabeth Creasy in Bethnal Green
The bridegroom was a Portmanteau maker rather than a boot maker but he lived in Maidstone Street, which is where this family is found in 1881

Although there is baptismal and subsequent marriage info on some of their children, I cannot see one for their daughter, Alice White


Anne

Hi Mavis

Thanks for looking. I will wait for the divorce paers from the National Archives and see what that shows me.

I might also get there eldest childes BC Frederock to see whether the details are the same or are different.

Thanks for all your help.

Maybe one day I will solve Alice

Candis

I have searched for a birth in London area for an Alice Lavinia White - none between
1875 to 1884 , may be she was born with a different surname, mother married and she became a " White "

Unless we can find a death for Alice Lavinia might be hard to find her birth

there are 3 births 1878 / 1880 for Alice Lavinia White 2 in Sunderland and 1 in Stroud Glous. - but as we have only found her on 1 census hard to say where she may be from

Hi Mavis

The last I know of Alice Lavina is that she is at 50 St Margaret Coventry with her husband Nicholas Lacey in 1932.

In 1933 it is just her Husband Nicholas Lacey, son Harold and daugter in law who are at this adress.

Maybe the papers from the National Archives will shed some light on this.

Anything is possible.

So I am defianatley correct in going up George John Harding side.

Candis

Could Alice Lavinia Lacey gone back to being Alice Lavinia Harding ?? after 1933

death
Alice Lavinia Harding 91y Mar Q 1970 Bristol D of B 28 June 1878 ???


births Sep Q 1878 for Alice Lavinia

Cole / Barton R , Glous
Green / St Olave Ldn
Ling / Bethnal Gr Ldn
Treliving / Aston Warkwick

Mavis