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hi shirley
how could she have been buried as taylor if she wasnt married to him .
how do you find if he was married before and the older children came from that marriage

Hello Patricia, you've marked this thread as answered which means people may think you have all the info you need (you obviously haven't).

Go to your very first post on page 1 and there will be a button that says something like "mark this as unanswered" - click on that and then people will realise that more info is required.

In answer to how she could have been buried as Taylor if not married - her death would have been registered in whatever name she was most commonly known by. It's certainly not unusual for that to happen.

Presumably Charles registered her death.......as they were purporting to be married, he would have given her name as Taylor.

You didn't answer the question about Charles's second forename.........was the birth I posted the correct one for him?

I've been trying to find the births of the three older children with a mutual mother's surname but not having much luck so far.

Have had a read of the newspaper article in case there were any useful clues, there wasn't anything to indicate that he'd been previously married.

It does say that he'd once held a very good position as a clerk to leading KC Sir Edward Marshall-Hall until that gentleman died. Charles then bought a fruit business but the premises were bought out and he got no compensation.

He had then moved from London to Doncaster and had started work in a colliery. Apparently his reduced circumstances bothered him greatly as he was unable to provide for his children in the way he would have liked.

He was, however, described as an excellent father and his children had been in splendid condition.

Apart from his depression and grief, before his wife's demise he had suffered from terrible pains in his head.

So, if Charles had gone to Doncaster from London he may have been born anywhere. The older children may have been born in London ....

EDIT: Sir Edward Marshall-Hall died 24 February 1927 and we know from the article that Charles had bought a business after that before coming to Doncaster ...

EDIT:
Another newspaper article gives the full names of the children
Mary Irene 8
Alan Raymond 6
Joyce Ember 5
Bernard Keith 23 months.

Marie

Did the article give Charles's second forename?

I'm looking now at births outside Yorkshire

?????
Births Sep 1898 (>99%)
Taylor Charles Cutler Fulham 1a 184


EDIT

Not that one.....................


Name: Charles Cutler Taylor
Birth Date: 22 May 1898
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1972
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Oxford
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 3291

Reggie, unfortunately both articles just referred to him as Charles C :-(

Thanks Marie

So we'll have to wait for Patricia to enlighten us on that.

hi his name was charles trevor taylor

Patricia - then why are all references (records, newspapers) to him as Charles C? Puzzling!

What else do you know, e.g. his parents? Where born?

Don't know if anyone else has had any luck, but there doesn't appear to be a common MMN for any of the older children. I think there were only 4 Mary I Taylors born 1925-27.

Could this be some of them???

Births Dec 1925 (>99%)
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Culliford Mary I Mundy Nottingham 7b 607

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Births Dec 1927 (>99%)
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Culliford Alan R Mundy Worksop 7b 62

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Births Jun 1929 (>99%)
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Culliford Joyce A Mundy Doncaster 9c 1415

Edit: I can't see any marriages or deaths for any of these 3, but can't find a Culliford/Mundy marriage either.

I think you could be onto something there, Flip!

Never thought of searching for a different surname with mmn Mundy.

sorry been offline
Patricia you ask how she could be buried as Taylor if she wasn't married to him . well she was known as Taylor so that was her name at death. You can call yourself any name you i like as long as its not to deceive.

How does Charles Trevor become Charles C on his death cert? And in the newspaper articles...........

There is no registered birth in England/Wales for Charles Trevor Taylor

Those births look very promising.....it could be that Joyce's second name was incorrectly transcribed at some stage

I would advise getting one of the certs, Patricia.............it would be worth £9.25 to find out the facts

I would have been tempted by the idea that he was Charles Culliford, and for some reason tagged Taylor onto his name - dodging creditors possibly?? But if he was in London until at least 1927 it may rule him out as father to the two older children. Think the youngest child would have been Joyce Amber rather that Ember.

As Reggie says, the only way to be sure would be to get one of the birth certificates for the Culiford children.

Where exactly did the name Trevor come from?

MC - I don't have access to 20c newspapers so can't check, but was there a later report about an inquest for any of the family?

Flip - I would have thought that there'd be an inquest but haven't found one yet.

However, while looking, I did come across another article about the tragedy and this one did refer to him as Charles Trevor Taylor. Very odd, when the other articles, and his death record, all say Charles C.

I wonder if it's this article that Patricia has got his name from? If so, I think it's an error.