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Thanks Moody Blue,
It was more of an elimination exercise
I knew the deceased wasn't Ann Scott ms Sagar but couldn't find her other names.

James, did you find James and Anne Clusker on the 1911 census in Fife?
If so, what was Anne's place of birth?
From a search on SP, I can see 3 Clusker children born in Fife.
John b 1911, Anne Elizabeth b 1912 and James b 1916

Anne

Is this the one you mention?



1 1892 SAGAR MARY ANN POLAND KENDALL F 39 CAMLACHIE GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/02 0536


James ancestor would have been Ann Elizabeth Scott maiden name Sagar ( possibly)

James,
SP and people called Sagar

In the statutory deaths , I could find only ONE match to Ann Sagar 1855- 1910
Obviously your great grandmother would need to be living circa 1890 for the birth of her daughter.
SP can be refined to give more precise info ....result is:
Ann Sagar age 39, died 1892 in Camlachie, Glasgow.
There is no Ann Sagar on the 1891 census and assume this was perhaps a maiden name of the deceased
I cannot find another name but it definitely not Scott.
Perhaps she connects to this family:


Re SAGAR on the 1891 census of Scotland
One family in Camlachie.
James and Maryann, but this is NOT the woman who died because this family can be found again in both 1901 and 1911 in Yorkshire.


1891 Scotland Census about James Sagar
Name: James Sagar
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Maryann Sagar
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 644/2
Registration district: Camlachie
Civil parish: Glasgow Camlachie
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 190 Fordneuk St
Occupation: Worsted Spinning Overbooks
ED: 49
Household schedule number: 27
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1891_245
Household Members:
Name Age
James Sagar 34
Maryann Sagar 37
Nellie Ann Sagar 3
Jennie H Sagar 2
Henry Adam 38

The only other Sagars live in Middlebie, Dumfries. all were English and details are on family search.
Seems to be a man called Richard with wige Georgina and a father also called Richard
1891 Scotland Census about Richd Sagar
Name: Richd Sagar
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Georgina Sagar
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 841
Registration district: Middlebie
Civil parish: Middlebie
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Eaglesfield
Occupation: Railway Surfaceman
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 31
Line: 24
Roll: CSSCT1891_397
Household Members:
Name Age
Richd Sagar 40
Georgina Sagar 36
Margt Sagar 14
Mary Sagar 11
Ernest Sagar 6
John Jas Sagar 3
Gergina D Sagar 1 Mo

1891 Scotland Census about Richard Sagar
Name: Richard Sagar
Age: 78
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 841
Registration district: Middlebie
Civil parish: Middlebie
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Eaglesfield
Occupation: Gardener's Labourer
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 98
Line: 18
Roll: CSSCT1891_397
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Sagar 78


And the only other person in Scotland called Sagar:
1891 Scotland Census about George Sagar
Name: George Sagar
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relationship: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 644/3
Registration district: Dennistoun
Civil parish: Glasgow St John
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 165 Bellfield St
Occupation: Flesher
ED: 24
Household schedule number: 60
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1891_249
Household Members:
Name Age
George Kerr 40
Janet Kerr 40
William Kerr 4
Alexr B Kerr 2
George Sagar 21

Anne

Hi Helen and Moody Blue,

I vaguely recall as a child my grandmother and grandfather mentioning the name Clancey/Glancey, I am sure they were the best man and bridesmaid at my grandparents wedding.

As to the maiden name of my grandmothers mother I just cannot decipher what it is, it could be Sagar but even using variants in searching marriages nothing comes up.

However when doing a free search on Ann Elizabeth Sagar from 1830 to 1910 no results come up, but doing the same search just using Ann Sagar the following results come up:-

In the 1891 Census for Ann Sagar it says two matches found
In theStatutory Register Deaths 1855 to 1855 - 1910 it says two matches found

Oh Why Oh Why did they not use comuters in the 19th century

Regards,

James Clusker

I checked the image ( death) and there is a line where her mothers maiden name should be

The maiden surname of on the marriage certificate for the mother of Anne Elizabeth Scott looks like Ann Elizabeth SAGAR


witnesses to the marriage were:-
Henry Glancey & Mary Ann Glancey


John Andrew Macintyre R C Priest

re the above witnesses:-
marriage
1907 GLANCEY HENRY............... CLUSKER MARY ANN BEATH (FIFE) /FIFE 410/00 0093

From a free search on Scotlandspeople

There are only two matches coming up for a death. One is listed below and the other took place relatively recently.

Death:
1954
Ann* Elizabeth Scott / Clusker (cross-ref surnames)
County: Fife
District: Dunfermline

birth year 1891 ( +/- 1yr )

If this is your Granny, it might be worth downloading the image to check out the mother's maiden name (if known by the informant) May be legible this time round.

Hello Helen,

This one is really stressing me out, not good at my age, we have two Scott's, and I am not connvinced that the family in Colinton are the correct family as the occupation shown on my my grandmothers marriage certificate for her father John Scott is that of a cooal miner.

1891 Scotland Census for Scott in Colinton, Edinburgh
1901 Scotland Census for Scott in Crofthead, Linlithgowshire

Regards,

James Clusker

1901 census from Ancestry for John Scott ... conflicting information with the previous one. Might help clarify this particular John Scott's birthplace.


1901 Scotland Census about John Scott
Name: John Scott
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: *Crofthead, Linlithgowshire
Registration Number: 407
Registration district: Auchtertool
Civil parish: Auchtertool
County: Fife
Address: 4 Landale Ter
Occupation: Coal Miner
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 4
Line: 20
Roll: CSSCT1901_130
Household Members:
Name Age
John Winning 43
Mary Winning 38
William Winning 17
Isabella Winning 15
Agnes Winning 12
Mary Winning 10
Walter Winning 7
Margeret Winning 6
John Scott 36 (born Crofthead, Linlithgowshire)
George Scott 24 (born Niddrie, Edinburgh)

Hi Anne,

On 1910 marriage certificate for my grandparents James Clusker and Anne Elizabeth Scott and Anne's place of residence at the time of the marriage is given as Thistleford Farm Cottage Auchtertool.

Anne Elizabeth Scott's parents are shown as John Scott Coal Minor and Ann Elizabeth Scott but her maiden surname is illegible, does not help having cataracts when trying to read these old documents.

Regards,

James Clusker

I think this is probably the Ann whose birth Anne found (I can find a James Clusker on the 1911 with a wife Elizabeth but not with an Ann, so it looks as if she went by her second name) but her father is William, a miller:

1891 Scotland Census
about Elizabeth Scott
Name: Elizabeth Scott
Age: 10 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: William Scott
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Scott
Gender: Female
Where born: Colinton, Edinburgh
Registration Number: 677
Registration district: Colinton
Civil parish: Colinton
County: Midlothian
Address: W Mill Cottages No 9
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 101
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1891_329
Household Members: Name Age
William Scott 34
Elizabeth Scott 35
William Scott 4
John Scott 3
Elizabeth Scott 10 Mo

Hi James,
I did a quick search on SP and found that between 1885 and 1895, there was only one child born with the EXACT name of Ann Elizabeth Scott ( no "E" in Ann)
This child was registered in Colinton, Edinburgh in 1890

Do you have the 1910 marriage cert? The names of both sets of parents should be listed on this.

Anne

Hi AnnCardiff and MarieCeleste,

Thanks for the input but from your previous help I have traced most of those in my family with the name Clusker back to c1821.

Regards,

James Clusker :-)

Do you want to add any comments to the thread...???

Cant do much else with it until you respond to some of the queries...

Hi Eringobragh1916, not sure what you mean by "Do you want to comment on your Clusker thread" :-(

Thanks Vera,

I don't think that is the family that I am looking for.

I got this from the 1901 Scotland Census of Find My Past and as the address is in Auchtertool and as town is shown on my grandmothers marriage certificate as her place of residence at the time of her marriage, I am sure it is this John Scott born 1865 that I am looking for.

Person: SCOTT, John
Address: 4, Landale Terrace, Auchtertool
.
1901 Census

WINNING, John
Relationship Head
Where born Carphin, Lanarkshire
Age 43
Birth Year 1858
Occupation Coal Miner

SCOTT, John
Relationship Boarder
Where born Carphin, Lanarkshire
Age 36
Birth Year 1865
Occupation Coal Miner

SCOTT, George
Relationship Boarder
Where born SCOTT, George
Age 24
Birth Year 1877
Occupation Coal Miner

Piece: 407
Folio: 1
Page: 1
Registration District: Auchtertool
Civil Parish: Auchtertool
Municipal Borough:
Address: 4, Landale Terrace, Auchtertool
County: Fife

Many thanks for your assistance,

James Clusker

For reference: http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1309774

James ...Do you want to comment on your Clusker thread so it can be taken forward or no as the case may be..???

James Clusker
Scotland Census, 1891
birth: 1883 West Lothian
residence: 1891 Burntisland,? Fife,? Scotland


name: James Clusker
event: Census
event date: 1891
gender: Male
age: 8
birthplace: West Lothian
registration district: Burntisland
county: Fife
estimated birth year: 1883

1901 England
Found this family...but not a coal miner...

Sex Age Birth Year Occupation
Disability Where born Image
SCOTT, John Head Married M 38 1863 Gateman Ship Yard
Scotland VIEW
SCOTT, Lizzie Wife Married F 39 1862
Scotland VIEW
SCOTT, Annie Daughter Single F 11 1890
Scotland VIEW
SCOTT, Isabella Daughter Single F 9 1892
Scotland VIEW
SCOTT, Neta Daughter Single F 1 1900
Scotland VIEW
STOREY, John Boarder Single M 46 1855 Draper's Porter
Scotland VIEW
Piece: 4771
Folio: 75
Page: 15
Registration District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Civil Parish: Elswick
Municipal Borough:
Address: 17, Edgeware Road, Elswick
County: Northumberland



Regards Vera