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9 Sep 2012 10:16 |
Census 1901 re Agnes Scott married to George Winning
1901 Scotland Census about Agnes Winning Name: Agnes Winning Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name : George Winning Gender: Female Where born: benhar, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 647 Registration district: Hamilton Civil parish: Hamilton Town: Hamilton County: Lanarkshire Address: Glasgow Rd Cowan's Blds ED: 21 Household schedule number: 12 Line: 2 Roll: CSSCT1901_338 Household Members: Name Age George Winning 35 born Carfin, Lanarkshire Agnes Winning 31 born benhar, Lanarkshire Walter Winning 13 born USA William Winning 10 born USA Isabella Winning 8 born craignenk, Lanarkshire Mary Winning 3 born burnbank, Lanarkshire George Winning 1 born burnbank, Lanarkshire John Winning 2 Mo born burnbank, Lanarkshire Alexander Scott 19 America, United States
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9 Sep 2012 09:58 |
Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938 and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947 about John Scott Name: John Scott Death Date: 2 Feb 1934 Death County or District: Wentworth Age: 68 Gender: Male Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 dob 05 February 1865 Birth Location: Scotland Father: Walter Scott Mother: Isabella Mark
Myocardial Failure
address 497 Charlton Ave Hamilton Ontario Canada
copy of death cert sent to James via pm
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9 Sep 2012 09:53 |
Thanks for that Eringobragh1916
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Eringobragh1916
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9 Sep 2012 09:08 |
James Your more than welcome... I will send you a PM with the links for John and Elizabeths marriage...I cannot get it to copy onto here....
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9 Sep 2012 08:50 |
Eringobragh1916, Moody Blue, and Anne,
You have all done an excellent job and as I expand my family tree things do seem to be coming nicely together.
And yes they do seem to have followed the coalfields,and In America they also appear to have worked on the building of the railways,
Up until my grandfather on my mothers side was killed in a mining accident in Fife in1952 most of the family on both sides had associations with either coal mining or shale mining, if it were not for that accident I too could have ended up working in the mining industry.
My sincere appreciation to you all for all the information you have provided.
My Best Regards,
James Clusker
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9 Sep 2012 07:56 |
James...Its good to know that the pieces of the jigsaw are fitting into place...but look how and where the family tree is extending ...!!
You did good Moody Blue and Anne...!!
I didnt consider the whole family going with John...(should have done)....not suprised they flitted from Lanark to West Lothian and PA....they were following the Coalfields
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9 Sep 2012 06:55 |
Anne, Moody Blue, Eringobragh1916,
Thank you all so much for all this information, I think it will take me most of today to sort through and update my tree.
Thank you all again,
James Clusker
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GlasgowLass
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9 Sep 2012 02:09 |
No i am just about off too... one teenage daughter still out clubbing, and I can't sleep til they are all home.
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Moody Blue
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9 Sep 2012 02:01 |
you're on your own til tomorrow (later today) Anne. Happy hunting.
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GlasgowLass
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9 Sep 2012 01:37 |
Isabella Scott Maiden name Mark. Died in Hamilton, Lanarkshire in 1897 aged 53
The names on these returns look to be right and her family also flitted between Lanarkshire and West Lothian!
spouse: Mary Philip groom's name: Adam Mark bride's name: Mary Philip marriage date: 18 Apr 1841 marriage place: Barony,Lanark,Scotland indexing project (batch) number: M11968-6 system origin: Scotland-ODM source film number: 0994189-0994191, 1041481, 0994188
1841 Scotland Census about Adam Mark ( census taken 6 Jun 1841) Name: Adam Mark Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Gender: Male Where born: Lanarkshire, Scotland Civil parish: Shettleston County: Lanarkshire Address: Tolcross Occupation: Coal M Parish Number: 622 Household Members: Name Age Adam Mark 20 Mary Mark 20
1851 Scotland Census about Isabella Mark Name: Isabella Mark Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Relationship: Daughter Father's Name: Adam Mark Mother's Name: Mary Mark Gender: Female Where born: Barony, Lanark Parish Number: 673 Civil parish: Whitburn County: West Lothian Address: Greenburn Occupation: Scholar ED: 6 Page: 43 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 150 Line: 13 Roll: CSSCT1851_174 Household Members: Name Age Adam Mark 32 Mary Mark 33 Isabella Mark 7 Alan Mark 4 Helen Mark 1
1861 Scotland Census about Isabella Mark Name: Isabella Mark Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Relationship: Daughter Father's Name: Adam Mark Mother's Name: Mary Mark Gender: Female Where born: Glasgow, Lanark Registration Number: 655 Registration district: Shotts Civil parish: Shotts County: Lanarkshire Address: 24 Sommervilles Row ED: 16 Household schedule number: 52 Line: 21 Roll: CSSCT1861_119 Household Members: Name Age Adam Mark 41 Mary Mark 43 Isabella Mark 17 Alan Mark 14 Ellen Mark 11 William Mark 8 Alexander Mark 4 Mary Mark 1
1871 Scotland Census about Adam Mark Name: Adam Mark Age: 51 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820 Relationship: Head Gender: Male Where born: Shotts, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 673 Registration district: Whitburn Civil parish: Whitburn County: West Lothian Address: No 53 Occupation: Coal Miner ED: 8 Household schedule number: 48 Line: 2 Roll: CSSCT1871_153 Household Members: Name Age Adam Mark 51 William Mark 18 Alexander Mark 14 Mary Mark 11
And this will be Adam's parents and siblings including brother Thomas who immigrated to PA and on the US census of 1870 ( same wife and kids) Therefore Thomas Mark was the uncle of Walter's wife, Isabella Scott ms Mark
1841 Scotland Census about Allan Mark Name: Allan Mark Age: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1795 Gender: Male Where born: England Civil parish: Bothwell Holytown County: Lanarkshire Address: Carfin Occupation: Coal M Parish Number: 625 Household Members: Name Age Allan Mark 46 Isabella Mark 45 Alexander Mark 19 Elizabeth Mark 16 James Mark 14 Thomas Mark 11** Janet Mark 8 Mary Mark 5 Elizabeth Chery 86
And Thomas.. 1851 Scotland Census about Thomas Mark Name: Thomas Mark Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Allan Mark Mother's Name: Isabella Mark Gender: Male Where born: Shotts, Lanark Parish Number: 628 Civil parish: Cambusnethan Town: Wishaw County: Lanarkshire Address: Low Wishaw Occupation: Coalminer ED: 5 Page: 39 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 142 Line: 3 Roll: CSSCT1851_150 Household Members: Name Age Allan Mark 59 Isabella Mark 57 Thomas Mark 20** Mary Mark 15 Jean Mark 12 Ellen Mark 9
1861 Scotland Census about Thomas Mark Name: Thomas Mark Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Janet Mark Gender: Male Where born: Shotts, Lanark Registration Number: 655 Registration district: Shotts Civil parish: Shotts County: Lanarkshire Address: 20 Sommerville's Row Occupation: Iron Miner ED: 16 Household schedule number: 47 Line: 19 Roll: CSSCT1861_119 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Mark 30** Janet Mark 29 Isabella Mark 4 Alan Mark 2 James Russell 24 John Malone 20 Margaret Smellie 12
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9 Sep 2012 01:31 |
John Winning b1858 married Mary Scott b 1863.
Havent found the marriage but this is the birth of Walter Scott Winning, their son.
Walter Scott Winning September 26 1893 Auchtertool father John Winning Coal Pit Bottomer present at the birth mother Mary Winning m.s. Scott
John Winning and Mary Scott were married March 23 1882 West Liberty, Allegheny, Co . U.S. America
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9 Sep 2012 01:12 |
I couldn't find the Scott family on a UK census of 1871 but now I see why.....
It looks as if Walter Snr already was living in PA in 1870.... with a Scottish born family called MARK ( Isabella's brother perhaps?)
1870 United States Federal Census about Walter Scott Name: Walter Scott Age in 1870: 23 Birth Year: abt 1847 Birthplace: Scotland Home in 1870: Barclay, Bradford, Pennsylvania Race: White Gender: Male Post Office: Barclay Value of real estate: View image Household Members: Name Age Thomas Mark 38 Jennett Mark 37 Isabella Mark 13 Alexander Mark 7 Thomas Mark 6 Adam Mark 3 Jennett Mark 11/12 George Scott 28 Walter Scott 23
Then, on 21 Oct 1870, his wife Isabella, children Mary, John, Adam and Agnes all arrived aboard the Australia from Glasgow.
I cannot find them returning to the UK after this but the must have been back by 1874 ( birth of Allan) They left again in 1879 aboard the Devonia This time Walter and Isabella travelled together with 7 children, which now included Allan, William and George.
Anne
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9 Sep 2012 00:38 |
George Scott
1911 Census address 2 landale Terrace Auchtertool
George Scott age 34 head, Coal Miner Hewer born Midlothian Liberton Margaret age 34 wife born Lanark Glasgow margaret age 7 daughter born Lanark Delsirf Walter age 5 son born Fife Beath isabella age 4 daughter born Lanark Delserf Mary age 2 daughter born Fife Auchtertool Thomas age 7 months son born Fife Auchtertool his address says 3 landale Terrace Reading Room?
Married 8 years, 5 choldren born , 5 children living.
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9 Sep 2012 00:27 |
Yes we do need to find the deaths.
On the return journey in 1892 there are 3 more children who did not appear on the 1880 census, although at least one must be a grandchild. His name is JOHN Scott age4 The party consisted of: Walter Scott age51 Mrs Scott age 48 David Campbell age 21 Mrs Campbell age 19.... is this Agnes Scott???? Walter Scott age 20 Allan Scott age 17 George Scott age11 William Scott age 9 Alex Scott age 7 Robert Scott age 6 John Scott age 4.... he cannot be a child of Walter and Isabella must be a g/child
My reckoning is is that children Mary, John and Adam Scott are all missing from this ship, although they may be filed on another page. Will go back and double check
Anne
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9 Sep 2012 00:24 |
In 1911 he is still lodging with the Winning family but this time he has his brother Walter with him (born America) John still born Whitburn, Linlithgowshire,, both miners. Address stil 4 Landale Terrace Auchtertool.
see post a little below:-
John Winning married Mary Scott ( John's sister) in America
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9 Sep 2012 00:12 |
The 1901 census that has John Scott, George Scott ( boarders) and the Winning family at 4 Landale Terrace must be the correct one. John Scotts birthplace is Crofthead, Linlithgowshire abt 1865
CROFTHEAD, town, 3J miles south-west of Whitburn, Linlithgowshire. Crofthead Iron-Stone Pits. - parish of Whitburn, Linlithgowshire,
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9 Sep 2012 00:03 |
Excellent Anne!!
Now we need to find both of their deaths......is that right?
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8 Sep 2012 23:42 |
FINALLY CRACKED JOHN SCOTT !!!!
parents: Walter Scott,? Isabella Mark name: John Scott gender: Male birth date: 06 Feb 1865 birthplace: WHITBURN,WEST LOTHIAN,SCOTLAND father's name: Walter Scott mother's name: Isabella Mark indexing project (batch) number: C11673-1 system origin: Scotland-ODM source film number: 603551
Children of WALTER SCOTT AND ISABELLA MARK
MARY Scott b 29 Nov 1862 SHOTTS, LANARKSHIRE JOHN Scott 6 Feb 1865. WHITBURN, WEST LOTHIAN ADAM Scott b 25 Mar 1867 BOTHWELL, LANARKSHIRE ALLAN Scott b 27 Apr 1874 WHITBURN, WEST LOTHIAN AGNES Scott 12 Jul 1869 WHITBURN, WEST LOTHIAN
The entire family emigrated to PA in 1879 aboard the Devonia
1880 United States Federal Census about Walter Scott Name: Walter Scott Age: 38 Birth Year: abt 1842 Birthplace: Scotland Home in 1880: Chartiers, Allegheny, Pennsylvania Race: White Gender: Male Relation to Head of House: Self (Head) Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Ezibela Scott Father's Birthplace: Scotland Mother's Birthplace: Scotland Neighbors: View others on page Occupation: Miner Cannot read/write:
Blind:
Deaf and dumb:
Otherwise disabled:
Idiotic or insane:
View image Household Members: Name Age Walter Scott 38 Ezibela Scott 36 Mary Scott 17 John Scott 15 Adam Scott 13 Agness Scott 11 Walter Scott 8 Allen Scott 6 George Scott 4 b Scotland William Scott 1 b Pennsylvania
The family returned in 1892 aboard the State of California. Although parents and siblings wre abaord, son John was not!
Will PM all papers to James.
Anne
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8 Sep 2012 22:39 |
Well Done Erigobragh and Moody Blue, You did well while I had to go to work.!
Just spotted something interesting.... There were TWO men called Daniel Maron Sager, and both born in PA just 4yrs apart. Surely they were cousins? I am certain that you chose the correct WW11 docs
Daniel Maron Sagar b 11 Nov 1879 Buena Vista, PA Above is the one you posted WW11 details for. He also has a WW1 draft. His next of Kin was: Sarah Sager, 625 Mifflin Street? WILKINSBURG, PA (I presume this is his wife) It looks suspiciously like the same address on the travel docs for James Clusker from 1916 His WW1 info shows that his left foot was missing! ( cut off .sic)
This one is a different man Daniel Maron Sager b 30 Sep 1875 Has a WW1 draft and his mother was called KOZIAH Sagar. He died 21 Jul 1945
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Daniel and wife Sadie/ Sarah
1910 United States Federal Census about Daniel M Sager Name: Daniel M Sager [Danial M Sager] Age in 1910: 30 Birth Year: 1880 Birthplace: Pennsylvania Home in 1910: Swissvale Ward 1, Allegheny, Pennsylvania Race: White Gender: Male Relation to Head of House: Head [Self (Head)] Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Sadie Sager Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania Mother's Birthplace: Pennsylvania Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Daniel M Sager 30 Sadie Sager 29
1920 United States Federal Census about Daniel M Sager Name: Daniel M Sager Age: 40 Birth Year: abt 1880 Birthplace: Pennsylvania Home in 1920: Wilkinsburg Ward 3, Allegheny, Pennsylvania Race: White Gender: Male Relation to Head of House: Head Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Sara Sager Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania Mother's Birthplace: Pennsylvania Home Owned: Rent Able to Read: Yes Able to Write: Yes Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Daniel M Sager 40 Sara Sager 39
1930 United States Federal Census about Daniel M Sager Name: Daniel M Sager [Daniel M Savges] Gender: Male Birth Year: abt 1880 Birthplace: Pennsylvania Race: White Home in 1930: Wilkinsburg, Allegheny, Pennsylvania View Map Marital Status: Married Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's Name: Sadie M Sager Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania Mother's Birthplace: Pennsylvania Occupation:
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View image Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Daniel M Sager 50 Sadie M Sager 49
Not 100% sure if this is the correct one in 1940 1940 United States Federal Census about Daniel Sager Name: Daniel Sager Age: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Gender: Male Race: White Birthplace: Pennsylvania Marital Status: Widowed Relation to Head of House: Uncle Home in 1940: Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania View Map Street: Duffield Street House Number: 1440 Inferred Residence in 1935: Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania Residence in 1935: Same Place Sheet Number: 1A Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Harrison Goodrich 56 Laura B Goodrich 40 Daniel Sager 60 WIDOWED
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8 Sep 2012 22:00 |
Now Moody Blue....!!! Have had enough trauma finding the Marriage..was tring to find the boarder crossing for John but dont have access ...should be about 1885 give or take a year...may shed some light on exactly where he was born.. Will have a look for Lizzies death...
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