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James,
As we now know that your great grandmother was Lizzie Sager, daughter of Samuel and Melinda Sager, I thought I could find him on US censuses prior to his marriage.
There were 2 men called Samuel Sager with similar profiles, one married Malinda the other's wife was called Eve/ Elizabeth.
I know that I have located the correct one, due to his younger brother who was called ELI. (Elias)

Your gg grandfather, Samuel Sager was the son of Peter and Eliza Sager

1850 United States Federal Census
about Samuel Sager
Name: Samuel Sager
Age: 18
Birth Year: abt 1832
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1850: Sewickley, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
Family Number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
Peter Sager 42
Elizabeth Sager 38
Henry Sager 21
Samuel Sager 18 ****
Harrison Sager 16
Daniel Sager 14
Alexander Sager 12
Eli Sager 10 ***
George Sager 8
Peter Sager 5
William E Sager 1

1860 United States Federal Census
about Samuel Sager
Name: Samuel Sager
[Samuel Lager]
Age in 1860: 28
Birth Year: abt 1832
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1860: Sewickley, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
Post Office: Watts Mills
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members: Name Age
Peter Sager 51
Eliza Sager 49
Samuel Sager 28 ****
Daniel Sager 24
Alexander Sager 22
Eli Sager 19 ****
George Sager 17
Peter Sager 13
William Sager 10
Elvina Sager 8

Samuel Sager will have married Malinda circa 1865
1870 United States Federal Census
about Samuel Sager
Name: Samuel Sager
Age in 1870: 39
Birth Year: abt 1831
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1870: Elizabeth, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Elizabeth
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Sager 39 ***
Malinda Sager 21
Elizabeth Sager 4
Eli Sager 26 ****

The 1880 and 1900 census are already posted

1910 United States Federal Census
about Malinda J Sager
Name: Malinda J Sager
Age in 1910: 61
Birth Year: 1849
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1910: Elizabeth, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Mother's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Malinda J Sager 61
Jennie Miller 16 grand daughter

Anne

Thankyou Anne....all help with computers gratefully received lol
I will see what |I can do...if my son ever leaves home I shall be completely lost.

Moody Blue,
I figured out that attachments can be sent by PM.
Most of my stuff automatically saves as a TIFF but this format does not seem to attach to a PM.
I now re-save docs as a JPEG which attaches fine!

William Mark Scott Death

William Mark Scott, Church Officer married to:-

1st Annie Mitchell
2nd Catherine McAllister, Gilroy or Tennant

January 22 1939 @2 h 25m pm, Western Infirmary Glasgow 1 U R
889 Maryhill Road Glasgow

male aged 59 years
father :- Walter Scott, Colliery Manager, deceased
mother:-Isabella Scott m.s. Mark deceaded

Melaena Duodenal Ulcer as cert by James C P Logan MB Ch. B

informant Walter Scott son 44 Stratford Street, Glasgow ( Present )
Registered January 23rd at Glasgow. James m Grieve registrar


I couldn't get it to work to send it to you so until I am able...here tis!

Eringobragh1916 dont undersell yourself.....without the leads that you provided I would still be (and am) flailing about all over the place. I think that you understand a lot more than I do. :-)

Helen..Feel free to jump in anytime...!!

Turning out to be a decent outcome for James so far....
Anne and Moody Blue have provided most of the links..I am limited due to the fact I dont use/have access to lots of the sites....

If James is having as much trouble as me then he's got major problems...!

This family has gathered momentum at a rate of knots not sure who and where to be looking next...

Re Jane...Yes well I looked at the naming patern of the children of Alexander and Jane and played a hunch ..(not very scientific)...then noted that this couple Edward and Jane Laird also had a son named Peter...again not very scientific...!!

Thank you Anne,

And this would appear to be the marriage of Alexander Scott, it all fits:-

SCOTT ALEXANDER to COLLINGTON JEANIE in BURBANK, HAMILTON, /LANARK

Date Married 21/11/1902

Grooms Parents - Walter Scott/Isabella Sxott ne Mark

Brides Parents - Edward Collington/Jeanie Collington nee Laird

Regards,

James Ckusker

James,
You are welcome, we all love a challenge and between us, we have the tools and a bit of experience to help you solve it.

If you have any problems putting all the info into order....just ask.

Anne

Helen, Anne, Moody Blue and Eringobragh,

I am lost for words to express my gratitude for all the assistance you have provided to me to solve this difficult family trace.

Thank you all very very much.

My Sincere Regards,

James Clusker

Hi Eringobragh1916,


Possibly this marriage????

1 1902 SCOTT ALEXANDER COLLINGTON JEANIE HAMILTON /LANARK 647/00 0262


why must they keep adapting their names.............................................

Birth
1881 COLLINGTON JANE F MILTON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/08 1078

ps

you are correct Eringibragh1916 re the birth

James...Just deviating slightly....Possible Birth

Jane Collingson
3 Feb 1881.
Father : Edward Collingson
Mother : Jane Laird

Birth Reg. Middleton Lanarkshire.

Well done !

Anne, Moody Blue and Eringobragh for unravelling the mystery .. and bringing closure to this family query.

Must give credit where credit's due.

Hi James, (Moody Blue and Eringobragh too)

As I expected, Allan Mark and Isobel Brown were your ggg grandparents
These are their children from Family search which concurs with the traditional naming pattern and all the relevant censuses previously posted

name: Isobel Mark
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 26 Jan 1817
baptism/christening place: , SHOTTS, LANARK, SCOTLAND
birth date: 20 Dec 1816
father's name: Allan Mark
mother's name: Isobel Brown
indexing project (batch) number: C11655-4
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1066605
parents: Allan Mark,? Isobel Brown


name: Adam Mark *****
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 08 Aug 1819
baptism/christening place: , SHOTTS, LANARK, SCOTLAND
birth date: 25 Jun 1819
father's name: Allan Mark
mother's name: Isobel Brown
indexing project (batch) number: C11655-4
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1066605

name: Alexander Mark
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 21 Jul 1822
baptism/christening place: , SHOTTS, LANARK, SCOTLAND
birth date: 23 Jun 1822
father's name: Allan Mark
mother's name: Isobell Brown
indexing project (batch) number: C11655-5
name: James Mark
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 17 Dec 1826
baptism/christening place: , SHOTTS, LANARK, SCOTLAND
birth date: 01 Nov 1826
father's name: Allan Mark
mother's name: Isobella Brown
indexing project (batch) number: C11655-5
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1066606



name: Thomas Forrest Mark****
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 03 Apr 1831
baptism/christening place: , SHOTTS, LANARK, SCOTLAND
birth date: 16 Feb 1831
father's name: Allan Mark
mother's name: Isobel Brown
indexing project (batch) number: C11655-5
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1066606



parents: Allan Mark,? Isabella Brown
name: Janet Mark
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 27 May 1833
baptism/christening place: , SHOTTS, LANARK, SCOTLAND
father's name: Allan Mark
mother's name: Isabella Brown
indexing project (batch) number: C11655-5
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 1066606



Anne

Moody Blue and Eringobragh1916 - thanks again, think I need two pair of hands and two keyboards :-)

Thanks for that Moody Blue - mastered getting images

Looking for Elizabeths death( dont think I've found it yet) but have found these two even if just for the purpose of elimination:-


Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Death Certificates Index, 1803-1915 about Elizab Scott
Name: Elizab Scott
Birth Date: abt 1866
Birth Place: Philada
Death Date: 4 Jun 1891
Death Place: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Age at Death: 25
Burial Date: 7 Jun 1891
Burial Place: Lebanon
Gender: Female
Race: White
Residence: Camden
FHL Film Number: 1011821


Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Death Certificates Index, 1803-1915 about Elizabeth Scott
Name: Elizabeth Scott
Birth Date: abt 1867
Birth Place: Philadelphia
Death Date: 21 Apr 1894
Death Place: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Age at Death: 27
Burial Date: 25 Apr 1894
Gender: Female
Race: White
Street Address: Ward 23, 1508 Harrison St
Cemetery: North Cedar Hill
Marital Status: Married
FHL Film Number: 1871838

Roasted Sunday dinner up for grabs...(story of my life) !!

James You can download the Cert for Alexander Scott (RIP) WW1 from the CWGC site...
Will PM the Kirk photo from Auchertool.

William Scott born August 1879 in b, America Pennsylvania

married Annie Mitchell31 Dec 1899

marriage:-
1 1900 SCOTT WILLIAM MITCHELL ANNIE BEATH (FIFE) /FIFE 410/00 0011


1901 Scotland Census about William Scott
Name: William Scott
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Annie Scott
Gender: Male
Where born: Sub, America British
Registration Number: 647
Registration district: Hamilton
Civil parish: Hamilton
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Wilson Ter 6
Occupation: Coal Miner
ED: 27
Household schedule number: 60
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1901_339
Household Members:
Name Age
William Scott 22
Annie Scott 18
Walter Scott 11 Mo



Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 about William Scott
Name: William Scott
Gender: Male
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Date of Arrival: 25 Oct 1920
Vessel: Saturnia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Saturnia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Roll: T-14711

says c/o Salvation Army ( occupation in Scotland) but intended occupation is to be a miner in Canada

also travelling with him was Walter Scott aged 20, insurance agent in Scotland but intending to be a miner in Canada

DEATH
939 SCOTT WILLIAM MARK M 59 HILLHEAD GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/13 0101

Alexander Scott ( son of Walter and brother to John and also to Agnes Scott)

Army papers


British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 about Alexander Scott
Name: Alexander Scott
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882 Pennsylvania USA
Age at enlistment: 32
Residence: 7 Landal Terrace, Cowdenbeath Fifeshire
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 16524
Regiment Name: Royl Scott
Number of images: 21


married Jane Collington 21 November 1902 Hamilton Scotland

children:-
Walter b 7 Aug 1903
Harriet b 6 July 1905
Edward b 15 Jan 1908
Isabella b 08 Dec 1909
Alexander b 31 march 1912
Peter b 25 may 1914



SCOTT, ALEXANDER
Rank:SerjeantService
No:16524
Date of Death:30/05/1916
Age:34
Regiment/Service:Royal Scots "C" Coy. 13th Bn.
Grave ReferenceIV. C. 41.CemeteryVERMELLES BRITISH CEMETERY
Additional Information:

Husband of Jane Scott, of 7, Landale Terrace, Cowdenbeath, Fife.