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Samuel Crickett Barber
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 27 Dec 1820 ST CLEMENT,?IPSWICH,?SUFFOLK,?ENGLAND
parents: Samuel Barber,? Mary
name: Samuel Crickett Barber
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 27 Dec 1820
baptism/christening place: ST CLEMENT,IPSWICH,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND
father's name: Samuel Barber
mother's name: Mary
indexing project (batch) number: C13165-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 918505

this also from igi sorry if it has already been posted


Amelia Barber
Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
christening: 17 Mar 1833 CATHEDRAL ST MARY,?LIMERICK,?LIMERICK,?IRELAND
parents: Alexander Barber,? Eleanor
name: Amelia Barber
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 17 Mar 1833
baptism/christening place: CATHEDRAL ST MARY,LIMERICK,LIMERICK,IRELAND
father's name: Alexander Barber
mother's name: Eleanor
indexing project (batch) number: C70056-1
system origin: Ireland-ODM
source film number: 0897365 IT 9

Thanks Quoy you're a star!
Yes I found Samuel Crickett last night , I agree he must be a brother , I now know their father was Samuel as well.

The Amelia Baptism, the site is queering my email........ You don't know if there was Mother's maiden name on that? I believe it has her as Eleanor, Catholic for Helen.

http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/quis.php?page=1&confirmPageView=Y



Action Cost Source Surname First Name Year County
25 credits Church Baptism Barber Amelia 1833 Co. Limerick

this must be a relative

The Ipswich Journal (Ipswich, England), Saturday, June 23, 1866; Issue 6634

Death
Barber 15th inst aged 42 after a lingering affliction
Emily Plamplin the beloved wife of Mr. Samuel Crickett Barber, Tavern Street and only daughter of Mr.Samuel Hone Faiers Queen Street Ipswich

Yes typo Barber was a clerk have amended it

This is the 1861 MC gave - the last page is essentially blank (as usual).

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/pdf/4108498_01560.pdf
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/pdf/4108498_01561.pdf

I think Joseph is a Carpenter, and it's not dittoed down the list.
There do seem to be ditto marks (") next to his 15 y.o. daur, but they're not like the definite ditto marks in the religion & pob cols.
NB Canada East=Quebec

Here's what FS makes of the 3 families (see col 34) - it's quite faint in places:

name: Alexander Barber
event: Census
event date: 1861
event place: Ottawa, Carleton, Ontario, Canada
enumeration district: 01
gender: Male
age: 24
marital status: Single
religion: Chatolick
birthplace: Canada E
estimated birth year: 1837
sheet number: 134
line number: 5
library and archives canada film number: C-1099-1100
film number: 0390238
digital folder number: 4108498
image number: 01560
Source Citation
"Ontario Census, 1861," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MQ73-GKV : accessed 04 Sep 2012), Alexander Barber, Ottawa, Carleton, Ontario, Canada.

line number: 1 name: Joseph Barker age: 53 Married birthplace: St Wustmah
line number: 2 name: Milina Barker age: 15 Single birthplace: St Wustmah
line number: 3 name: Mi?O?Hia Barker age: 6 Single birthplace: Ottawa
line number: 4 name: John Barber age: 26 Single birthplace: Canada E
line number: 5 name: Alexander Barber age: 24 Single birthplace: Canada E
line number: 6 name: Joseph age: 22 Single birthplace: Canada E
line number: 7 name: Mattie age: 50 Married birthplace: Canada E
line number: 8 name: Albert age: 11 Single birthplace: Canada E
line number: 9 name: *Bert age: 25 Single birthplace: Canada E

Also Quoy? Could I ask is that a typo on the info of Alfred James Clarke?

Should it be Barber?

Thanks again.

Thank you so much for the extra info , I've updated loads of info.

Just to recap the article.
We think it was Alec , Alfred's wife? attending.

The flowers from Alfred and Nellie.

The eldest son bit .... a mistake?

Sylvia,
That's what I thought, although I didn't phrase it correctly before!

I remember it now, if a woman was referred to with her own christian name plus her married name, it meant that..... she was widowed!

If AJ were her own initials she was widowed.
If AJ were her husband's initials, she was married


In relation to the article re Alfred and Nellie, that info was evidently gleaned from the wreath that they sent

Just one note re how to address married women, widows


Up until the 1960s, etiquette manuals dictated that a married woman should be referred to by her husband's name or initials ...............

.... this applied whether she was with him, or attending an event without him


so Mrs A J Barber is the wife of A. J. Barber, and the way that newspaper report is phrased, with a comma between Alex Barber and Mrs A J, indicates that she is NOT Alex's wife

"Deceased's son Alec Barber, Mrs A J Barber" ( daughter in law)"



The etiquette for widows differed slightly ........ most people still referred to them with the husband's initials, but it was almost equally correct to refer to them by their own initials.


I can remember having very elderly female friends and relatives in the 1960s and 70s who were very upset when they received letters addressed to Mrs Edith Smith ............ they were so used to being Mrs J A Smith!






sylvia

The Ipswich Journal (Ipswich, England), Saturday, April 26, 1873; Issue 7106

Barber Clarke
22nd St Mathews Church Ipswich Alfred James Barber 10 Willoughby Villas to Eleanor Mary eldest daughter of H Clarke esq St . Mathews Lodge Norwich Road

SERIOUS CHARGES BEFORE THE IPSWICH BOROUGH BENCH .
The Essex Standard, West Suffolk Gazette, and Eastern Counties' Advertiser (Colchester, England), Saturday, December 25, 1880; pg. 8; Issue 2611. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.

Alfred James Barber head clerk and cashier at Cliff Brewery was charged with embezzling £10
Barber pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 6months




The Ipswich Journal (Ipswich, England), Saturday, April 6, 1872; Issue 6994.
Jones Barber
3rd inst at St Margarets Church Ipswich
The Rev T Melville Jones B.A. of Llantrisant Glamorganshire to
Susie youngest daughter of Mr. Alec C Barber of Ipswich

Oh! I've just read back and Flip had already come to this conclusion :-S

I have found an Alfred J. Born Canada 1843.
Married to Eleanor..... Nellie! ( Ipswich)

So I think this is the couple mentioned in the funeral piece.

1891 Census

I think this might be Alexander jnr in 1861 - the occupation of the chap at the top looks like Corporal and it's been dittoed down the list:

1861 Census of Canada
Name: Alexander Barber
Gender: Male
Age: 24
Birth Year: 1837
Birthplace: Canada East
Marital Status: Single
Home in 1861: Ottawa, Carleton, Canada West
Religion: Chatolick
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Barber 24

I think Mrs A. J is indeed Alfred James Wife or widow . And the Alfred and Nellie are the nephew and wife.

Alexander Barber, the lodger from the 1911 census died soon after.
As luck would have it.... NO will or Probate!

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Alexander Barber
Name: Alexander Barber
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1911
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 312 (click to see others on page)

I think there is an error on the birth year on this record:

British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription

First name(s): Alexander
Last name: BARBER
Calculated year of birth: 1856 < No, this is wrong!
Parish of birth: Nova Scotia
Town of birth: Nova Scotia
County of birth: North America
Age at attestation: 21 years 6 months
Attestation date: 9 December 1877 NO! - that's the date he was discharged!!
Attestation corps:
Attestation soldier number:
Discharge rank: Corporal
Discharge corps: 4th Battn 60th Of Royal Rifles
Discharge soldier number: 387

The National Archives reference: WO97 / 1880 / 151

The record gives details of his service from 1857 to 1877 so no way was he born 1856!

He'd served for 21 years including 2.5 in Cephalonia, 1.5 in Gibraltar, 1.5 in the Crimea and 4 years in Canada.

His trade had been a musician and upon discharge December 1877 he was going to 4 Pimlico Road, London.

Doesn't it Flip!

The daughter Sarah married and Army man also and he was from a family born all over the Empire, Fascinating.

Thank You to Flip for the article.
I see it now..... "Deceased's son Alec Barber, Mrs A J Barber" ( daughter in law)"

This does not necessarily mean that Alec and Mrs A.J were husband and wife..

This possibly the death linked to the 1911

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Alexander Barber Name: Alexander Barber
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1911
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 312 (click to see others on page)

I wondered about this one. He is lodging with a widower but no status given for Alexander.

1881 England Census
about Alexander Barber Name: Alexander Barber
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: (...), North America

Civil parish: St Giles in the Fields
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 55 Neal St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Clerk

Registration district: St Giles
Sub-registration district: St Giles, South
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 322
Folio: 108
Page Number: 51
Household Members: Name Age
John T. Brock 46
Alexander Barber 45

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