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Hi Janice george Gent rings a bell but could just be coincedence none of the others ring a bell , I have found out from my cousin that Grace died before 1964 , my cousin went to Australia then but was aware of Grace's death but doesn't recall any more , I have contacted Judith's grand son but he was born in 1961 but just on the off chance that he might have heard something. My Aunt Mona's first husband was a Tiffen not sure of his first name they had a daughter Frances also known as Audrey Mona divorced Tiffen and then went to live in Blackpool

keep re-reading this lot and just noticed you said Grace born c1885

this gives her exact dob

Baptisms: 14 Mar 1885 St John the Evangelist, Great Marsden, Lancashire, England
Grace Procter - 1st daug. of Joseph Procter & Susan
Born: 6 Jan 1885
Abode: Great Marsden
Occupation: Twister
Baptised by: J. Guntrip Curate
Register: Baptisms 1885 - 1890, Page 1, Entry 2
Source: LDS Film 1471098


I know it says 1st daughter but Margaret was baptised in Briercliffe so maybe curate was not too careful about ino

Hadn't been married that long:

Marriages Sep 1938
Bibby Gilbert Mortimer Burnley 8e 497
Mortimer Minnie Bibby Burnley 8e 497

2 sons born in 1939 and 1942 - look on freeBMD to get names. They may still be around.

Looks like Minnie married again:

Marriages Mar 1947
Bibby Minnie Sagar Burnley 10b 1255

There's a daughter from this marriage born 1952.

the daughter is on 3 trees on here. Are those people known to you? One is a Bibby.


This daughter married and had 2 children in the 70s.

Here's Gilbert:

BIBBY, GILBERT

Rank: Driver
Service No: T/405835
Date of Death:06/02/1945
Age: 30
Regiment/Service: Royal Army Service Corps
Grave Reference Grave NE. 8454.
BURNLEY CEMETERY

Additional Information:

Son of Joseph Baron Bibby and Judith Hannah Bibby, of Burnley; husband of Minnie Bibby, of Burnley.

just looked up Kent Road - never realised just where it was - my sister only lived about half a mile away for many years. Layton was a fairly popular retirement area

I'll edit those marriages then to get rid of middle name ones.

sorry ladies should read Hi Lancashireann Mona lived in Kent Road ect

NE8453

1 George William R Tiffen 44yrs 37 Tunnel Street M Book 14 #108181 29 Jul 1936
2 Margaret Hargreaves 72yrs 44 Queensberry Rd F Book 16 #128135 4 Oct 1955

A17150

1 John Gent 1mnth 16 South St M Book 9 #68831 20 Jan 1908
2 Caroline Clarke 8mnths 8 Raws Court F Book 10 #76520 11 Sep 1912
3 John McArdle 1mnth 16 South St M Book 10 #78409 2 Dec 1913
4 Eileen Gent 24 days old 12 South Street F Book 12 #87919 5 May 1920
5 Alexander Gent 67yrs 47 Hodder Street M Book 16 #125113 26 Mar 1952
6 Mary Ellen Gent 76yrs General Hospital F Book 17 #134140 12 Jun 196


do any of these names mean anything to you Susan?

Hi Janice , I was born when Grace came over , although my mum cannot remember much about either Grace or the sister who died . H lived in Kenti Lancashireann Mona lived in Blackpool married her secon husband Ben ( Think her surname was Broughton ) she lived in Kent Road had a boarding house te reitredhink it was number 68 , she retired to Leyton Fred her brother came to live with her Ben died first the Fred then Mona

as much for interest as anything

grave NE8454

Name Age Abode Gender Source Register Date buried
1 Emily Bibby 69yrs Municipal Hospital F Book 14 #107690 22 Feb 1936
2 Joseph Baron Bibby 46yrs Victoria Hosp. M Book 14 #110360 4 Jun 1938
3 Gilbert Bibby 31yrs Alma Barracks Blackdown M Book 15 #117822 12 Feb 1945
4 Judith Hannah Maccabe 69yrs Queensbury Road F Book 17 #134367 25 Nov 1963

don't know if this is coincidence but the grave no on this one is only 1 different to judith McCabe

Burial: 4 Oct 1955 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Margaret Hargreaves -
Age: 72yrs
Abode: 44 Queensberry Rd
Grave: NE8453
Register: Burials 1948 - 1958, Page 216, Entry 128135
Source: Original Registers Book 16

age also matches Margaret Procter

if Margaret was born in Burnley in 1882 / 1883 then she has no middle initial so possible 1903 1905 & 1954

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1903
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
PROCTER Margaret HARGREAVES Fred Burnley Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston RM/124/109

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1905
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
PROCTER Margaret WILCOCK Ralph Worsthorne, St John Evangelist Preston CE131/1/317

is this Mona or coincidence?

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1943
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
PROCTER Mona CHORLTON Frank Blackpool, St.Mark Blackpool E/3/201

PS the sister we haven't looked at yet is Margaret I think. Mary married Jack Gent.
Margaret is a more common name so here are your choices:



Marriages Jun 1903
Procter Margaret Hargreaves Burnley 8e 555

Marriages Dec 1905
PROCTER Margaret Wilcock Burnley 8e 421

Marriages Sep 1915
Procter Margaret Kendall Burnley 8e 428

Marriages Mar 1954
Procter Margaret Scholes Burnley 10b 1393

Any of these names ring bells?

Hi Susan,

Can we narrow the years down a bit? If your Mum is 91 , does that mean you were alive when Grace came over or was it before you were born? If you were alive, can you remember if you were at primary or secondary school so that we get a narrower time frame? If it was before you were born, that gives us a cut off date?

Did your mum go to the funeral? Would she remember how old her children were at the time?

there is only one more sister Mary but I thought she went to live in Bulawayo she had a son who's christian name was PROCTER I could have the wrong sister it def wasn't Margaret , bertha, Judith , or Mona , will see what I can find , as I said yesterday have emailed USA geneaologists to see if they can trace Grace from 1915, I have asked my mother who is 91 but she can't remember ,Grace and her siblings are my fathers side , Emma's grand daughter and myself are both searching thanks for your help hopw we didn't keep you awake too long.

Nothing on the shipping for Burton born 1885 +/- 5 so looks like Burton one isn't correct.

1963 is too late for the passenger lists on Ancestry. Are there others anywhere else?

Morning Susan,

Had a few thoughts in bed - as you do! Have been looking for a Grace on the shipping lists but she could be just G so will check that one out this afternoon.

Judith and Bertha both had 3 husbands so have you checked them out for children too?!!

Judith died in 1963 and so did Mary Gent (if it's the right one) so wondered if Grace thought she ought to come over in 1963 to see the rest of the family before they all popped their clogs too.

If that was the case though, I'm sure 3 sisters dying in the same year would have made its way down the family folklore.

Hmmm!

Thanks Ladies if I wasn't confused before I am now , I shall let you know the outcome of my email to the US , I shall speak with Burnley Cemetery in the week or better still will call in , I shall report back on that one . We are also looking for Margaret's family Mary's , Bertha's we think Bertha had a grand daughter called Francesca , We know of judith's family up to her grand son Russell Bibby , also Emma's family up to her great grandchildren ( we all keep in touch ) My grand father was Thomas , We remember that Fred had no children that we are aware of he never married but who's to say and Mona the youngest of the family her grand daughter lives in New Zealand . I think I shall have to invest in a very large box of headache tabs . many thanks for your help so it's goodnight from me until tomorrow

I've tried cross-matching Grace anything born 1885 +/- 2 in England on the 1940 census with any Grace dying in Lancs between 1945 and 1965.

My head hurts :-( :-( :-( :-( :-(

There was one but I couldn't find her on a passenger list

AAAAGGGGHHHHHH!


Think Susan needs to contact Burnley and investigate Grace Burton, if only to eliminate her from the enquiries!

How do you look up American marriages?