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This could be a possible for Arthur:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: Arthur Salt
Birth Date: abt 1891
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1968
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Stafford
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 9b
Page: 386

It's a bit too recent for there to be a probate record to give any further info.

No Lynne - you're not confused at all! Now you've mentioned about the groom's father it does make sense. The two deaths I posted on the last page were possibles but, given what you say, are unlikely.

There are lots of Arthur Salts around so I'll dig a bit more.

This link http://bettsfamstaffs.com/ takes you to the home page of the site that had all the information I posted yesterday. There is an "Index of Names", click on that and then when on the next page click on the letter "B" where it says "Name List". When you've done that, scroll down the list until you find BETTS - under that is an entry "Ellen, Miss" born Jun 1891. Click on her name and you'll find what I posted, plus the names of her other children and who they married.

Not all of the info on there is 100% accurate - they were mistaken about John's death and they don't mention the daughter Gwendoline - but it's well worth looking at. You could also email the person who put it all together.

Sorry, Marie Celeste, I'm getting myself confused... if Arthur was around for the 1949 wedding he wouldn't have died the year before would he! Oh well we'll call it a senior moment and forget I mentioned it.
Lynne

Hi Marie The grooms father was listed as deceased on the cert. so going by that I'm presuming if arthur was deceased it too would be on the certificate. I cant remember the names of the other children but I remember they came from the Staffs area. Could the ' Ada widow' that is mentioned in probate be Arthurs eldest daughter Florence Ada (she would be in her 80's now) or his sister

Hi Lynne - just because Arthur wasn't noted as deceased on Barbara's marriage certificate doesn't necessarily mean he was still alive - it depends how the registrar asked.

Florence and Barbara apparently had two younger sisters (I didn't post their details as they may still be living)

Wow! thanks for all of the above, I know Arthur and Ellens daughters names were Florence Ada and Barbara Mary - both middle names after family members perhaps? Florence is still living, as far as I am aware Arthur didn't remarry. Florence married in 1952 and Barbara in 1949. Arthur was alive in August 1949 and working as a stoker.
Lynne

Thomas 2nd marriage:

England, Marriages, 1538–1973

groom's name: Thomas Salt
groom's birth date: 1859
groom's birthplace:
groom's age: 35
bride's name: Mary Ann Ward
bride's birth date: 1854
bride's birthplace:
bride's age: 40
marriage date: 12 Mar 1894
marriage place: Stafford, Stafford, England
groom's father's name: Thamas Salt
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name: Moses Lockett
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status: Widowed
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status: Widowed
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M03951-4
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1526110
reference number: item 9-10

Source Citation
"England, Marriages, 1538–1973 ," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXTC-5HJ : accessed 20 Aug 2012), Thomas Salt and Mary Ann Ward, 12 Mar 1894; citing reference item 9-10, FHL microfilm 1526110.

I don't think Arthur's mother was Mary Anne, I think it was Thomas' first wife Jane. In this 1891 the un-named baby must be Arthur:

SALT, Thomas Head Married M 33 1858 General Labourer Staffordshire, Tixall
SALT, Jane Wife Married F 33 1858 Staffordshire, Bromsted
SALT, Thomas Son M 9 1882 Scholar Radford, Staffordshire
SALT, Frank Son M 7 1884 Scholar Windermere, Westmorland
SALT, Florence E Daughter F 5 1886 Scholar Windermere, Westmorland
SALT, Henry Son M 2 1889 Windermere, Westmorland
SALT Son M 0 (UNDER1M) 1891 Windermere, Westmorland

Piece: 4328 Folio: 85 Page: 41
Registration District: Kendal
Civil Parish: Applethwaite

Address: 36, Ash Street, Applethwaite, Windermere County: Westmorland

Wonder if this is Arthur?

1911 census transcription details for:
2ND BATTALION NORTH STAFFORDSHIRE REGIMENT, PESHAWAR, NORTH WEST FRONTIER PROVINCES, INDIA
Military details: Private North Stafford Regt

National Archive Reference: RG14PN34983 RD641 SD8 ED17 SN9999

SALT, Arthur Unmarried ? 20 1891 Cumberland Windermere

This is the probate for the Cheadle death:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Arthur Salt
Probate Date: 3 Feb 1949
Death Date: 25 Dec 1948
Death Place: Staffordshire, England
Registry: London, England

Lived 97 Mill Road, Cheadle, Staffs. Died 25 December 1948 at Parish Church, Freehay, Cheadle. Probate to Ada Salt, widow. Effects £1310 0s 2d

Don't know if this is the right chap, may have remarried after Ellen died?

Two possible deaths for Arthur:

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

Deaths Jun 1948
Salt Arthur 57 Sutton Coldf'd 9c 810

Deaths Dec 1948
Salt Arthur 57 Cheadle 9b 150

EDIT: Given the info Lynne has later given that Arthur was alive in the 1950s these deaths are unlikely.

Here's the elusive Arthur in 1901:

SALT, Thomas Head Married M 43 1858 Gas Works Labourer Brancote, Staffordshire
SALT, Mary A Wife Married F 46 1855 Coven, Staffordshire
SALT, Thomas Son Single M 19 1882 Railway Labourer Berkswich, Staffordshire
SALT, Frank Son Single M 17 1884 Grocer's Shop Assistant Windermere, Westmorland
SALT, Harry Son Single M 12 1889 Windermere, Westmorland
SALT, Arthur Son Single M 10 1891 Windermere, Westmorland <<
WARD, Francis Step Son Single M 19 1882 Gas Works Labourer Stafford, Staffordshire
WARD, Gertrude Step Daughter Single F 12 1889 Stafford, Staffordshire
WARD, Florence Step Daughter Single F 10 1891 Stafford, Staffordshire
BROOKSHAW, Hedley Boarder Single M 22 1879 Railway Labourer Betley, Cheshire

Piece: 2570 Folio: 67 Page: 29
Registration District: Stafford
Civil Parish: Stafford

Address: 4, Austin Friars Street, Stafford County: Staffordshire

Lynne - I think Michael and Arthur were one and the same person! I've seen some posts on another site where a lady said she was Ellen's grandaughter and had been asking about Arthur Salt also known as "Mick".

HI, Sorry I didn't realise what I'd done! Thanks for telling me as I would have missed a lot of info.
I don't know why but I have a feeling Arthur died in the 1950's but it is only a feeling.
I also know there was a Michael and something to do with him being a rogue and spending time in prison, I think for petty crimes but again I'm not sure. I'm wondering if Michael was Arthurs brother? (If Arthur had any brothers of course!)
Lynne

Amazing what you find if you use Google! Everything you wanted to know about the Betts in Staffs - http://bettsfamstaffs.com/d1.htm

An extract (I've deleted references to anyone that may be living but their marriages and offspring are recorded on the site, where known):

Miss Ellen Betts was born in Jun 1891 in Gnosall Staffs., was christened on 16 Aug 1891 in Gnosall Parish Church Staffordshire, and died poss 1931 in Stafford Area aged 40.

General Notes: Baptism from actual records birth from staffsBMD
1901 records her still with parents aged 10
A son was registered to an Ellen Betts called Charles William in 1913
A son was registered to an Ellen Power nee Betts called Arthur in 1923 she was living at Hopton Pools and working as a Domestic servant.
At marriage living at Fulfen Lichfield
Death may have been 1931 aged 39 Stafford 6b 19

Ellen married Mr. John Power, son of Mr. James Power and Miss Ann Jane Payne, on 22 Mar 1914 in Lichfield Registry Office. The marriage ended in divorce 1920s. John was born in 1887 in Keighley Yorks. and died before 1934.

General Notes: recorded on marriage certificate as at Whittington barracks Sergeant 1 West York regiment
Living with parents on 1891c
recorded as deceased on Charle's wedding record
birth recorded SepQ 1887 Keighley Yorks. 9a 192

The child from this marriage was:

Charles William Betts-Power was born on 14 Jun 1912 in Lichfield area, was christened on 7 Mar 1913 in Huddlesford Whittington Staffs, and died in Mar 2004 in Cannock chase area aged 91. (Relationship to Father: Biological, Relationship to Mother: Biological)

Ellen next married Mr. Arthur Salt, son of Mr. Thomas Salt and Miss Mary Anne Locket, on 2 Jan 1926 in Stafford Registry Office. Arthur was born in 1891 in Windermere Westmorland.

General Notes: birth registered JunQ 1891 Kendal 10b 752
1901c has him born Windermere aged 10 so told incorrect info on marriage lines
details taken from Marriage certificate lived at Tixall and worked at the Gasworks stated age as 32

Children from this marriage were:

Ellen next married Not Known.

Children from this marriage were:

Mr. John Power was born on 9 May 1919 in Withy Hill Farm Sutton Coldfield.

General Notes: birth registered JunQ 1919 Tamworth 6b 606a
Original birth certificate has John'sregistered father as John Power, but subsequent statutory declaration by John and Ellen states John was not the father, but does not enlighten us as to who was John's actual father.
However, John Power was put down as his father on his marriage certificate.
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The part about John Power's death being before 1934 is incorrect as I've put his death details earlier.

Have sent a pm to Lynne in case she wasn't expecting any further info after marking the thread as answered.

There are a few trees on Ancestry (appear copied off each other) who have Arthur Salt as Michael Salt born 1900. No back up to this.

Lynne - can you get any inkling at all about when Arthur may have died?

Looks like John divorced Ellen:

Item reference J 77/2123/6486
Divorce Court File: 6486. Appellant: John Power. Respondent: Ellen Power. Co-respondent: Arthur Salt. Type: Husband's petition for divorce

Date was 1924.

(from National Archives)

A possible 1901:

BETTS, Thomas Head Married M 44 1857 Farm Labourer Madeley, Staffordshire
BETTS, Mary Wife Married F 43 1858 Gnosall, Staffordshire
BETTS, John Son Single M 14 1887 Farm Labourer Gnosall, Staffordshire
BETTS, Emily Daughter Single F 11 1890 Gnosall, Staffordshire
BETTS, Ellen Daughter Single F 10 1891 Gnosall, Staffordshire
BETTS, George Son Single M 7 1894 Gnosall, Staffordshire

Piece: 2568 Folio: 7 Page: 6
Registration District: Newport
Civil Parish: Gnosall (Stafford)

Address: High Street, Gnosall (Stafford), Gnosall County: Shropshire

(An Emily Betts was a marriage witness)

Could this be Ellen's baptism?

England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Ellen Betts
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 1891
baptism/christening place: GNOSALL, STAFFS, ENGLAND
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Thomas Betts
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Mary
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C01007-5
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1470995
reference number: - 2:2WZV14H

Source Citation
"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J9KF-QVL : accessed 20 Aug 2012), Ellen Betts, 1891; citing reference - 2:2WZV14H, FHL microfilm 1470995


Given the above baptism, I think this will more likely be Ellen's birth rather than the 1897 posted on page 1:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Jun 1891
Betts Ellen Newport S 6a 783

(Newport S covers Gnosall)

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: John Power
Probate Date: 6 Jul 1946
Death Date: 21 Jun 1946
Death Place: Lancashire, England
Registry: Lancaster, England

Death details as listed on pension record.

Lived 22 Moss Lane, Morecambe and Heysham, Lancs. Probale to Gwendoline Atkins, wife of John Atkins. Effects £146.

Could Gwendoline be his daughter?

Yes, looks like it:

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1940
Atkins John Power Bradford 9b 132
Power Gwendoline Atkins Bradford 9b 132