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I couldn't find any birth registrations in Maryland online. On FHS you get

Name index to birth, baptism and christening records from the state of Maryland. Microfilm copies of these records are available at the Family History Library and FamilySearch Centers. Due to privacy laws, recent records may not be displayed. The year range represents most of the records. A few records may be earlier or later.

See MC's post 13 August

Don't know if the Maryland State Archives would be able to help:
http://guide.mdsa.net/index.cfm

They have all sorts of records and indices listed but nothing available to search on-line. They do seem to have a collection of Baltimore City birth records 1875 to 1972. There's an email address [email protected] that might be useful to contact to ask for advice.

So I reckon - Pauline - best advice is contact the ref@ addy and see if they have any advice on birth records for the children and death record for a Hodgkinson in 1897/8 that would pinpoint the mother

Jude

Hi Pauline, I believe I may have been the first one to draw attention to Charles Hodgkinson marrying a Martha, but it was only a possibility to look into.

Having now seen that he claims to have been born in Edge Hill, I don't think these are Minnie's parents.

I'm not sure how you're going to find the actual parents. It looks as if birth registrations in Maryland only go back to 1898. Just one year out :-(

Can that be right? I may have misunderstood that. Does anyone else know?

Pauline - good to hear from you.

I am still not 100% convinced that Martha Roseana Griffith is the mother. What would clinch it or not would be to find her death.

Emery was Samuel's son from his first marriage i.e. a stepson to his second wife and son of Amy

Cissie is an interest - maybe no connection at all?

TW Hodgkinson - IF Charles and Martha are correct then he has to have died before 1898. But WHY can't we find births for Minnie and Charles Jnr?

Don't go off on the Martha route without some digging - the Maryland records are not available online but there is a contact email in this thread somewhere - try mailing them and ask if they can provide any evidence of births of Minnie and Charles and death of Martha Roseana.

Finally it would be so good to find a death for Charles senior.

Jude

I am so sorry I have not been in touch for the past few days, but I have had problems with my computer and then my service provider has problems which made it impossible to get on the internet. I would like to thank everyone concerned for the huge effort everyone has made on my behalf, and because of all your hard work I now know so much more about my great grandfarther regarding his journeys to and from the USA. Also I was unaware of Mary Alice existance until you found her, and finding out that Charles married Martha in West Virginia was absolutely wonderful because I had tried to find her over the last few years but couldn't find anything about her. The information you pulled up regarding Charles Hodgkinson family and his twin Samuel has just verified the information I had found so thank you for this because you are not always sure you have the right information - just a gut feeling. I didn't know the details about his first marriage but I think that Emery might have been a stepson.
TW Hodgkinson born in West Virginia 15/114/1887 to Charles and Martha - do you think he could have died when Martha died? I do know that Minnie's mum Martha died soon after Minnie was born - could TW have died at or arround that same time?

Many thanks for your help

Pauline

I wonder if this is him arriving in the USA and he lied about his age?

Name: Chas Hodgkinson
Arrival Date: 24 Jul 1882
Birth Year: abt 1862
Age: 20
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Germanic

There is also an Edgehill in Warwickshire ( as in battle of I believe)..but yes there is one in Liverpool.

Samuel's first marriage??


spouse: Amy E. Danforth
groom's name: Samuel Hodgkinson
bride's name: Amy E. Danforth
marriage date: 14 Oct 1890
marriage place: Belfast, Waldo, Maine
indexing project (batch) number: M52281-2
system origin: Maine-EASy
source film number:

Jude

Totally off on a tangent...

This is (I think) Samuel in 1900

Name: Samuel Hodgkinsons
[Samuel Hodgkinson]
Age: 35
Birth Date: Apr 1865
Birthplace: England
Home in 1900: Belfast, Waldo, Maine
[Waldo]
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1885
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Marital Status: Divorced
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Fidelia Creasey 62
Gagie E Creasey 21
W Scott Creasey 17
Julia A Pitcher 77
Samuel Hodgkinsons 35
Cisie Hodgkinsons 20
Elsia M Clark 20

He is divorced (born England) - Cissie also born England but have no idea who she is.

Jude


isn't Edge Hill in Liverpool???

I would also guess those two children are named after her parents i.e. Martha A and Thomas W

Jude

I am still not convinced this is them.

Charles' age is not quite right for starters - if he was 22 in September 1886 then that makes it 1864. His and Samuel's birth was registered in June 1865.

Birthplace Edgehill - assuming this is in Lancashire (as evidenced by the births) this could be Ormskirk way. There is a Hodgkinson born Ormskirk but he's an Albert Edward :-(

So if M.A. was Mary Alice and age is wrong - she was allegedly 8 when they returned in 1898. Who is TW? Is there a death to match?

And why can't we find Charles Wilfred and Minnie Alvina - who were definitely born Baltimore.

Needs some more digging!

Interesting to note the change in name for Martha

from Martha Rosanea Griffith

to Martha Griffith Hodgkinson

to Martha R. Griffith Hodgkinson




and a possible explanation .................

I lived in Texas in the late 1960s, and women there dropped a middle name when they married and replaced it with their maiden name.


In fact, I acquired a middle name in the eyes of the university where I worked ........... I only have one forename, but they assigned my maiden name as my second forename :-D



so the loss of Rosanea and replacement with Griffith was just part of the tradition, and maybe even legally required, in WV, and the southern US.





sylvia

Searching at:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES

groom: Chas Hodgkinson
groom's age: [22]
groom's estimated birth year:
groom's birthplace: [Edgehill]
bride: Martha Rosanea Griffith
bride's age: [24]
bride's birthplace: [Clarke Co VA]
marriage type: Marriage
marriage date: 1886 [Sept 1st]
marriage place: Jefferson, West Virginia, United States [New Duffield]
groom's marital status: [Single]
bride's marital status: [Single]
film number: 829872
digital folder number: 4130812
image number: 00508
source: County Records
Source Citation
"West Virginia, Marriages, 1853-1970," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FRT1-XBS : accessed 13 Aug 2012), Chas Hodgkinson and Martha Rosanea Griffith, 1886.

[There's a remark - Consent ... Bride's Father ... Wonder what the age of consent was for women in WV back then]


name: M.A. Hodgkinson
birth date: 05 Nov 1888
birthplace: Shenandoah Junct, Jefferson Co, West Virginia
gender: Female
father's name: Charles Hodgkinson
father's birthplace: Lancastor Co, Eng
father's age: 24 years
mother's name: Rose Griffith Hodgkinson
mother's birthplace: Clarke Co, Va
mother's age: 27 years
film number: 829325
digital folder number: 4003321
image number: 123
reference number: 44-45
source: County Records
Source Citation
"West Virginia Births, 1853-1930," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F153-B8J : accessed 13 Aug 2012), M.A. Hodgkinson, 05 Nov 1888.

name: T.W. Hodgkinson
birth date: 15 Jul 1887
birthplace: Shenandoah Junct, Jefferson Co, West Virginia
gender: Male
father's name: Chas. Hodgkinson
father's birthplace: Lancasshire, Eng.
father's age: 23 years
mother's name: Martha R. Griffith Hodgkinson
mother's birthplace: Clarke Co, Va
mother's age: 26 years
film number: 829325
digital folder number: 4003321
image number: 110
reference number: 18-19
source: County Records
Source Citation
"West Virginia Births, 1853-1930," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F153-P8Q : accessed 13 Aug 2012), T.W. Hodgkinson, 15 Jul 1887.

You can click on the view image link to left of transcription - it's free!!


Shenandoah Junction is abt 10km W of Harpers Ferry [of John Brown's body fame]
It's almost as far E as you can go in WV.
Clarke Co VA is the adjacent county to SSW.


1880 United States Federal
Home in 1880: Battletown, Clarke, Virginia
Thomas W. Griffith 48
Martha A. Griffith 48
Martha R. Griffith 18
Joseph B. Griffith 15
James H. Griffith 13
John Wm Griffith 9
Charles E. Griffith 7
Thomas R. Griffith 3
Sarah A. 1
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Battletown, Clarke, Virginia; Roll: 1360; Family History Film: 1255360; Page: 380A; Enumeration District: 030; .


Magnify 4 clicks, then save image:
http://archive.org/stream/populationschedu1641unit#page/n7/mode/1up
http://archive.org/stream/10thcensus1360unit#page/n770/mode/1up

Don't know if the Maryland State Archives would be able to help:
http://guide.mdsa.net/index.cfm

They have all sorts of records and indices listed but nothing available to search on-line. They do seem to have a collection of Baltimore City birth records 1875 to 1972. There's an email address [email protected] that might be useful to contact to ask for advice.

and Minnie's death

Name: Minnie Elvina O'Donnell
Birth Date: 14 Sep 1897
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1981
Age at Death: 84
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Merseyside
Volume: 36
Page: 0583

Robert died in 1949 - Minnie granted probate

Minnie's marriage?

Name: Minnie Elvina Hodgkinson
Birth Year: abt 1898
Age: 23
Marriage Date: 23 Mar 1921
Parish: Wavertree St Bridget
Spouse's Name: Robert O'Donnell
Father's Name: Charles Hodgkinson
Spouse Father's Name: Robert O'Donnell

and in 1910

spouse: Annie Hodgkinson
child: Emery E Hodgkinson
name: Samuel Hodgkinson
birthplace: England
relationship to head of household: Self
residence: Belfast Ward 1, Waldo, Maine
marital status: Married
race : White
gender: Male
father's birthplace: England
mother's birthplace: England
family number: 271
page number: 10

This is Samuel


name: Samuel Hodgkinson
event: Naturalization
event date: 1896
event place: Maine
birth year: 1865
birthplace: Chorley, England
nara publication title: Index to New England Naturalization Petitions, 1791-1906
nara publication number: M1299
nara roll number: 75
digital folder number:

Pauline - thank you!

OK - some questions:

Who did Minnie marry? Probably won't help but you never know.

There is someone else on GR has her in his tree (Peter Harvey) are you in touch?

I can see now that Samuel and Charles were twins - hadn't twigged that. Another line to follow. Are you aware of when Charles might have died? It seems that he was still alive in 1901 as Margaret is married but I cannot find him.

I wonder if Mary Alice was split up from the other two because she was over 10? I assume they were put into care sometime between 1899 and 1901.

This is Charles' and Martha Rose's marriage

spouse: Martha Rosanea Griffith
groom: Chas Hodgkinson
bride: Martha Rosanea Griffith
marriage type: Marriage
marriage date: 1886
marriage place: Jefferson, West Virginia, United States
digital folder number: 4130812
source: County Records

I don't think this is them. There is another child born (T.W.) in 1887

Jude

Minnie wasn't born until 1897, so the child with the initials M.A. can't be her. They're more likely to be her older sister, Mary Alice.

Minnies forenames are Minnie Alvina if that helps