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Annie May Carr born 1909 Hasland appears in 2 trees on here. Why don't you e-mail them and see if Hilda's family know anything about Lily Annie. Bit of luck they may even have photos given that they lived together.

It could be, I have very little information about Hilda other than she was born (I think) in about 1890. She was in the army and I also believed that she'd been engaged to one of Lily Skevington's brothers who's been killed in the army around 1917.

I don't know any other name for her and presumed she'd never married... but don't know that for fact?

Ooh just thought - John W's death - there must have been an Inquest /Coroner's Report - might be an avenue to investigate, 1913 not so far back, just under 100 years so there may be records

Alison

It might be worth buying the birth certificate for Jessie to check if the father was listed?

There are only 2 Hilda Carrs in derbyshire in 1911 - the one I've listed born 1883 and an older one born 1867.

Here's the brother who died


SKEVINGTON, HENRY ERNEST

Rank: Rifleman
Service No:S/2020
Date of Death:25/09/1915
Age:23
Regiment/Service:Rifle Brigade12th Bn.
Grave Reference V. C. 7.
Cemetery
AUBERS RIDGE BRITISH CEMETERY, AUBERS

Additional Information:
Son of Mr. W. T. and Mrs. M. E. Skevington, of 34, London St., New Whittington, Chesterfield.

Have you e-mailed Chesterfield library to see if they have local newspaper archives for a report on John William Rudge's death?

Hi Janice,

I'm a little puzzled.... I've searched in the 1911 census for Hilda Carr and can't find her. Can't find her in the 1901 census either. Am I doing something silly?

I searched for Hilda carr, residence Derbyshire and got 2 hits for 1911. The one i posted has only been married 2 years so won't be Carr in 1901 (she's Hancock)

Here she is in 1901

Name: Hilda Hancock
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Hancock
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Hancock
Gender: Female
Where born: Hasland

Civil parish: Tupton
Ecclesiastical parish: North Wingfield St Lawrence
Town: Tupton
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Chesterfield
Sub-registration district: Ashover
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 213
Piece: 3245
Folio: 61
Page Number: 39

William Hancock 37
Elizabeth Hancock 38
Hilda Hancock 18
Alice Hancock 10
Annie Hancock 7
Joe Hancock 1
Alfred Hancock 5 Months
Edward Hancock 40

Thanks! I'll have another look..

I haven't emailed the local library re John Rudge's death, but I did go in a while ago and couldn't find anything in the local paper back then. I may be better asking one of the librarian's though as I'm sure they'd be better at it than I am!

I've also just rung my Mum who is now searching for Jessie Rudge's birth certificate! She's not convinced she has it but it's worth checking first...
She's also confirmed which church Jessie would have been baptised at (St Barnabas, New Whittington) so I can check that out :)

That matches the information I have on the brother, there's also another brother (Walter) who was killed in 1917 I think. It does mean there's not much time for Hilda to be engaged to either of them before they were killed though? Mum has just re-iterated the belief that Hilda was engaged to one of Lily's brothers.
Wow, just re-read the information on that and it gives a grave reference. I didn't know that... that's great information!

Thanks so much for assisting on this everyone... i was just about to give up and it's really motivated me again! :)

Here's Walter

SKEVINGTON, WALTER ELLIOT

Rank: Private
Service No:242149
Date of Death: 15/08/1917
Age: 18
Regiment/Service: South Staffordshire Regiment
"D" Coy. 1st/5th Bn.
Grave Reference I. U. 34.
Cemetery
PHILOSOPHE BRITISH CEMETERY, MAZINGARBE

Additional Information:

Son of William T. and Mary E. Skevington, of 34, London St., New Whittington, Chesterfield.


The info on the war dead can be found here

http://www.cwgc.org/

I'm not sure that this Hilda Carr is the one you want. Her husband, Robert Cowley Carr, died in 1960 and I think he outlived Hilda as his estate went to Annie May (Helstrip) and George Edwin Carr.

Oh that's fabulous... thank you!

I've now found Hilda Carr... I'm not certain it's the right one but I'll contact the matching tree owners to see if they can confirm

If it is the right Hilda, she could have been engaged to the oldest boy and then met Robert and decided to marry him.

Ah, post's crossed! That's probably not the right one then. I do know she had a nephew called Donald born around 1935.

By the way... the updated photo shows Lily Rudge (nee Skevington), Jessie Brooks (nee Rudge) and my Mum (Jean Blockley - nee Brooks) and me in about 1965/1966!

If Robert Carr died in 1960, then it's probably not my Hilda Carr as she was living with my Great Grandma (Lily Skevington) from about 1953 I think. Unless of course she left him?!

Do you know when your Hilda Carr died?

No I don't ... I can remember her, although not well, so I would guess between 1966 and 1976?

There's only one Hilda Carr's death registered in Derbyshire between 1966 and 1976.. I should think it's her. It has her DOB as 5/9/1892