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This Medal card appears to be for Frederick William Fryer .............. but this is all the information that is on it

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 about Frederick William Fryer

Name: Frederick William Fryer
Regiment or Corps: 3/Bdef RE


from image:-

Regiment:- 3/Bedf. R (?? = 3rd Bedford Regiment)
Rank:- Lieut. G. M.

Awarded British Medal
Roll:- Off.60 Page:- 83
then followed by a sequence of numbers:- IVX 4610 dt. 19/8/22 NW/6/26007

Theatre of War served in:- India
Date of Entry therein:- 15.3.17

Approved for Medals:- 18/5/22
E79 retd 9/6/22


Address:-
Causeway House
Elsworth, Cambridge



I have no idea what a lot of those items mean!!



As he was an officer, his records should be at the Department of Defense.



Someone else may know the address for you






sylvia

Andrew

Thank you for that

One of the things that helpers on these boards do is to think outside the box!


and I'm afraid it seemed rather obvious to me that if a person is named as NOK on the service records, then that person is probably closely related ....... in fact, one of the records did have "Father" noted before the name.

....... and then, if a person with that same name turns up, but with a young wife and 2 young children, then it makes sense that he might well have remarried, and begun a second family. .............. so that avenue does seem to need exploring.



sylvia

Thank you for your posts....it is easy to come to these boards with preconceived thoughts :-)

I don't know enough about Indian records to be able to advise. I assume that the marriage certificate must be available (somewhere) and that it would be similar to the English one given that it was part of the British Empire at the time.

Obviously another angle is, if he did remarry in Burma (or before he moved to Burma) that his father would be on that certificate.

Good Luck

Jude

Does anyone have advice how i might Locate the parents of Frederick William Fryer, whose fathers name is listed as William on the marriage certificate to kathleen

Sylvia
I am true sorry, i didnt want to sound ungrateful, and you are right my family knowledge is lore, and i dont know how good it is.
I am a sceptic by nature, and dont know how to think outside the circle until it is blatently pointed out to me.

Heyjude has placed a scenario which i hadnt even thought about.

I will try and followup on the F.W.Fryer remarrying scenario.

Again SORRY to all who have assisted, i dont mean to offend

Andrew, you rather curtly responded to Sylvia...

Maurice Edwins nok being frederick fryer (govner of burma), isnt an avenue i took note of as the Frederick fryer of burma wifes name isnt kathleen

Well...try reading the posts in this thread...I posted

Maurice Edwin gave F.W Fryer of Burma as nok on WW1 army records in 1919

followed by:

Kathleen's death

spouse: Kathleen Clara Fryer
name: Kathleen Clara Fryer
gender: Female
burial date: 01 Apr 1913
burial place: Calcutta, Bengal, India
death date: 31 Mar 1913
age: 44
birth date: 1869
marital status: Married
spouse's name: Frederick William Fryer
indexing project (batch) number: B75045-1
system origin: India-EASy
source film number: 527899


So in 1919 - the date of Maurice Edwin's records - and I assume you do not deny this is YOUR Maurice Edwin? - Kathleen had been dead for six years. So it is entirely feasible that the F.W. Fryer in Burma IS your F.W. Fryer and has remarried.

Andrew


I'm sorry


you seem to demolish every suggestion put to you

This suggest to me that you have certain "knowledge" which you are unwilling to re-consider, and are also unwilling to accept anything that may be opposite to what you "know".


I'm presuming that this "knowledge" is family lore.


I also note, by googling, that you have been asking these same questions on other sites (eg ancestry) for at least the last couple of years.

I am presuming that you either got no response from those other sites, or responses which did not suit you.



I am therefore unwilling to attempt to help you any further.





sylvia

Maurice's death:

Name: Maurice Edwin Fryer
Birth Date: 16 Sep 1895
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1975
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: Bedford
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 9
Page: 0074

Mervyn's death

Name: Mervyn J Fryer
Birth Date: abt 1894
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1964
Age at Death: 70
Registration district: Wandsworth
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5d
Page: 706

Gladys's death:

Name: Gladys Vera Fryer
Birth Date: 13 Sep 1891
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1970
Age at Death: 78
Registration district: Hounslow
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5c
Page: 1239

Frederick William Fryer b(1862)c
had 4 children (per above)
Percival b(1892)
Mervyn b(1893)
Maurice Edwin b(1895)
Dulcie B91896)
Frederick William jnr (appears to have died in the same year as birth) b1899

Mervyn (my great grandad) married Gladys Vera Belletti
they had 4 children
Bertram
Ronald
Maurice b(1926)
Kathleen

These children emigrated from India to England (1950s)?
And as far as i know they all died in England
Mervyn had a 2nd wife (May) who was last known living in St Ives, Cambridge, England - i have not attempted to check if there were any children to this relationship.

Maurice Edwins nok being frederick fryer (govner of burma), isnt an avenue i took note of as the Frederick fryer of burma wifes name isnt kathleen

cheers

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about Basil Anthony Fryer

Name: Basil Anthony Fryer
Birth Date: 13 Sep 1919
Date of Registration: Nov 1990
Age at Death: 71
Registration district: Warminster
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume: 23
Page: 2603



?????

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Basil A Fryer

Name: Basil A Fryer
Spouse Surname: Francis
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1943
Registration district: Warminster
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume Number: 5a
Page Number: 350

Spouse:- Madeline J Francis




sylvia

The Frederick William Fryer who returned to the UK with wife May Campbell and infant Leslie J S in Nov 1915 on the City of Exeter

is aged 52, and a Retired Warrant Officer


He returns to the UK again in April 1922, age 59, with

May Campbell Fryer, age 39
Leslie John Fryer, age 7
Basil Anthony Fryer, age 2

Intended address in UK:-
L F.W. Fryer, Captain
24 Vicarage Park
Plumstead S.E.

Frederick's Occupation:- Retired Army Officer
Country of Last Permanent Residence:- India
Country of Intended Residence:- England




sylvia

from ancestry

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Maurice Fryer

Name: Maurice Fryer
Birth Date: abt 1896
Age: 17
Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia
Arrival Date: 24 May 1913
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage:Sydney
[Hobart]
[Melbourne]
[Adelaide]
[Colombo]
[Plymouth]
Ship Name: Osterley
Search Ship Database: View the 'Osterley' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 132989

Occupation:- Student


Travelling with Fred W Fryer


Name: Fred W Fryer
Birth Date: abt 1864
Age: 49
Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia
Arrival Date: 24 May 1913
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Sydney
[Hobart]
[Melbourne]
[Adelaide]
[Colombo]
[Plymouth]
Ship Name: Osterley
Search Ship Database: View the 'Osterley' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 132989



They actually boarded the ship in Colombo

Fred's Occupation:- Manager
Country of last residence (both): India



sylvia

Have you tried googling the names????

Maurice Edwin does name as his NOK on the 3 rd set of papers as

Lt QM F. W. Fryer
3rd G.S. Bedfords
Meiktila, Burma


on another set, he says his Father is Lt Qr F.W. Fryer. GEB Bedfords, Meirktila (?? sp), Burma




sylvia

Andrew


There are more than 100 pages of records on ancestry for Maurice Edwin



That's an awful lot of someone to send to you .................. each page of each record has to be sent separately. In addition, there is the fact that sending so much information to a non-member all at once could possibly affect their membership with ancestry.


May I suggest that you take out a 2 week free trial with ancestry, and download that information yourself?

You have to provide ancestry with a credit card number ......... so be sure to notify them by about day 10 that you do not wish to continue with the trial, or else you could run the risk of them actually taking the money.



There are 3 apparently separate sets of records

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 about Maurice Edwin Fryer

Name: Maurice Edwin Fryer
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Age at enlistment: 23
Birth Parish: Trichinopoly India
Document Year: 1919
Regimental Number: 115118
Regiment Name: Machine Gun Corps
Number of images: 75


Name: Maurice Edwin Fryer
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Age at enlistment: 23
Birth Parish: Trichinopoly India
Document Year: 1919
Regimental Number: 115118
Regiment Name: Machine Gun Corps
Number of images: 6


Name: Maurice Edwin Fryer
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Age at enlistment: 23
Birth Parish: Trichinopoly India
Document Year: 1919
Regimental Number: 115118
Regiment Name: Machine Gun Corps
Number of images: 12





You should also realise just how very lucky you are to have so many pages!! The pages ARE damaged and burnt, and difficult to read in places.

Only about 30% of the records for WW1 servicemen survived WW2, due to bombs and fires on or in supposedly secure safe storage places.



sylvia

fredericks and kathleens children are,
Percival, Mervyn, Maurice and Dulcie, all born in india (per above)
(i believe frederick and kathleen died in india)

mervyn(my great grand parent), married a Gladys Belleiit, there children were Bertram, Ronald, Maurice and Kathleen, all born in India but the left india (late forties??) and settled in england ( bertram, then moved to inverness - scotland and remarried)
I have been informed that Mervyn had a 2nd wife (May) who was last living in St Ives, Cambridge, UK (i haven't persued this thread yet)

I would like to get maurice edwins war records, this could mean that family records are hazzy (as i believe the F.W.Fryer of burma had a different wife, than names known)

Thanks for the efforts thus far, it has provided some previously unknown dates for events

Did he remarry..incoming passenger list from Calcutta with Mary Campbell Fryer (30) and Leslie J.A. aged 8 months

Kathleen's death


spouse: Kathleen Clara Fryer
name: Kathleen Clara Fryer
gender: Female
burial date: 01 Apr 1913
burial place: Calcutta, Bengal, India
death date: 31 Mar 1913
age: 44
birth date: 1869
marital status: Married
spouse's name: Frederick William Fryer
indexing project (batch) number: B75045-1
system origin: India-EASy
source film number: 527899

Frederick William Junior

spouse: Kate
child: Frederick William Fryer
name: Frederick William Fryer
gender: Male
burial date: 12 Nov 1899
burial place: Bangalore, Madras, India
death date: 11 Nov 1899
age: 0
birth date: 1899
father's name: Frederick William Fryer
mother's name: Kate
indexing project (batch) number: B00204-5
system origin: India-EASy
source film number: 5