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Sorry JUde, i meant that Laura, half sister to Emily (elder) and Jane.
David passed away first,then Emily. Laura lived next door to them, hence documents destroyed before young Emily?? got the house. We presume Laura knew the truth!!!!! and was told to destroy any evidence as such - whatever it was.

We know that David was away on 1901 census and elder Emily was living alone.

The Emily Claxton born Q2 1902 does appear to have died Q3 1902. But unless they lied, she wasn't David and Emily's as they state no children born in 1911 census.

I can't find David in 1901 - I can find Emily all alone at Emily Street :-)

When you say "5. Enigma!!! when the claxtons passed away for some reasons??? Laura (half sister to Emily Jane) and her family destroyed certain papers and we dont know why." do you mean half sister to Emily AND Jane - or half sister to Emily Jane. If the latter who was Emily Jane?

Stranger things have happened. I'll have a play tonight!

have thought about this but if i recall i think she died in the following quarter.
I have thought about sending for birth certificate to see who her parents where for i sometimes think was OUR emily given this childs identity - strange as it might be could the month and date have been changed round!!!!!
The claxtons said that they had a child (boy) but even on that i cant find a birth.

Do you think that this birth is worth a punt?

Births Sep 1902 (>99%)
Claxton Emily Aston 6d 378

Jude

ooeer...let's hope that it wasn't really Jane's daughter by David!!

Jude

JUde, i totally agree with your comments fully.
Yes, perhaps we will never know the truth.
Jane death certificate was obtained and did state insane!!!!
My neighbours said her mother (emily yng) always said to her that her father (david claxton) really loved her but her mother (emily elder) never really showed any affection to her - i find this strange. Also David Claxton was shown on her marriage certificate.

We can still only hope that something does come to light regarding young emily.

The Second War (1899–1902)......from Stuart's post - Casualty details: Wounded on 10 Dec 1899 at Stormberg (1) (Official casualty roll location: Stormberg) - would have thought he would have been home by June 1901

And here he is in 1901 census with Jane...

Name: Robert Kirton
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane P Kirton
Mother's Name: Barbara Kirton
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Civil parish: Byker
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Newcastle upon Tyne
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Byker
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 100
Piece: 4790
Folio: 146
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Kirton 28
Jane P Kirton 26
Barbara Kirton 61
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Original
Record

Yes the Edwardians had a way with words didn't they?! I guess it's not something that will ever be known as to whether it was post-natal depression. Do you have the death certificate - might be an interesting acquisition.

1911 sees him with his sister and her husband working as a miner. It is often the case when a man is widowed that the first family is "handed" over to relatives because the man has to work and then he remarries and seemingly the first family is forgotten. I have the same in my tree and this seems to be the case for Robert and Emily. And it is only natural then that Emily's adoptive family do not maintain a link with her father.

I don't think there is any doubt that it is Robert and Jane's child. It is certainly Jane's child or else why would Jane's sister adopt her?

It is still extremely perplexing as to why a birth record cannot be found.

Jude

yes Jane was in an institute, although states insane, i myself and have read other threads have come across this occasionaly, and have come to the conclusion could it have been baby blues in those days for it wasnt heard of then.
Still not 100% sure that Robert and Jane were the parents of young emily but would like to beleive they were for the other query is was robert still away in the boar war when conception supposed to have took place!!
Still any further info would be appreciated.

Yes but who did she name as her father on the certificate? She may well have married as Emily Claxton but she may still have named her father as Robert Kirton - although this is unlikely. She seems not to have had any contact with Robert - I think he probably died in 1944

I think this could possibly be Jane in 1911

Name: I P K
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Lunatic (Insane)
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Not Known, Not Known, Not Known
Civil parish: Gosforth
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: None
Registration district: Castle Ward
Registration District Number: 560
Sub-registration district: Gosforth
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 30870

yes definately married into Bagley name, using Emily Claxton.

I think James may be a BIG red herring and needs to be treated with caution. For instance, who provided that information when she enrolled?

EVERYTHING points to Emily being the child of Robert and Jane. Jane died and Robert was unable to care for Emily so she left her in the care of her sister and her husband who adopted her (as evidenced by David's war records.

Emily Kirton, being in 1911 census in Birmingham, fits with her schooling in Birmingham. WHY would she be returning to Rochester - who was there for her? Robert was in Northumberland; Emily and David were in Birmingham which is where they were in 1914 in the war records.

I think you should discount the James connection as there is no hard evidence of who provided the name James as father - was the entrance register signed by a James?

It still doesn't answer your question....there is no birth that matches the 09/03/1902. Did you purchase the marriage certificate to Mr Bagley? I realise - as Jonesey says - that she may have put David as her father.

Jude

Have all the information already on the Claxtons and Robert and Jane it is the search for anything relating to this child and now especially a James Kirton.
HeyJude, i take your point re name possibly could be Jane, but it was the fathers name that had to be stipulated on entrance to school.
Someone i know had apparently already researched the history etc., on this school and had access to school records - hence to were the recent information as come from.
Wondering if any link within the Kirtons regarding James and Robert could they have been cousins?? Could he have been in war for the question is now how did he connect to the Claxtons. Also all the Kirtons seem to have come from up north i am pretty sure there is some connection somewhere, but where!!!

Name: David Claxton
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Age at enlistment: 41
Birth Parish: St Martens
Birth County: Warwickshire
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 3166
Regiment Name: Royal Warwickshire Regiment
Number of images: 5

This is David Claxton's war records - on image 68577 he refers to adoptive daughter Emily Kirton born 09/03/02 Northumberland

Re the school entrace - do you actually have evidence of "James" or is it something you have been told? I wonder if it actually says Jane

The only James I find is the father of Mary 1902 and he was a hairdresser

So this is Jane Priscilla's death

Deaths Jun 1911 (>99%)
Kirton Jane P 36 Castle W. 10b 203

Castle W(ard) is in Northumberland.

As we cannot find her in 1911, is it possible she died before April 2nd and that the death wasn't registered until the following quarter?

Robert went on to have a son and a daughter , but wife and children all showing deceased on unsourced tree although their three (probably) daughters appear to still be living

i have received some acknowledgement regarding the school to which this child attended in 1910 and the named father had to be logged on child entering.
James Kirton was named as father and in 1911 she was taken out of the school and it was recorded returning to Rochester.
Another enigma here, could James (Kirton) have been related to Robert for it seems strange that the Kirton name already linked to the Claxtons.
Have noted that when this child was taken out of school in 1911 this was the time that Claxton was bankrupt - Young emily told a story that she remembers going to London and was told that she had to use a different name whilst there.
Could army records be searched also for James Kirton to see if in army same time as Robert and David Claxton.

This is the 1901 census that Susan posted

Name: Kirton
Age: 2 Days
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Alexander Kirton
Mother's name: Mabel Kirton
Gender: Female
Where born: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Civil parish: Elswick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 51
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 124
Piece: 4774
Folio: 37
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Kirton 29
Mabel Kirton 24
Mabel Kirton 3
Alexander Kirton 1
Kirton 2 Days
Victor Dellow 22
Ruth Dellow 28
Marcus Dellow 4
Lilly Dellow 1

So not Emily.... :-|

Susan

The death notice for Emily gives

Name: Emily May Bagley
Birth Date: 9 Mar 1902
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1975
Age at Death: 73

Obviously date of birth is only as good as the informant.

Brummie46 - do you have that death certificate? It might be useful to see who was the informanty and pursue that line. Maybe, she had children and subsequently grandchildren who may be able to help you

Jude

There is this birth no name though..

."England and Wales Census, 1901," Kirton, Elswick, Northumberland, England


Name: Kirton
Event: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Gender:
Age: 0
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: Newcastle On Tyne
Record Type: Household
Registration District: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-district: Westgate
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Augustine
Civil Parish: Elswick
County: Northumberland

I wonder if she has taken on the first name of her aunt but really she was reg as,......below .her registration is late in the year so would calculate in census as 1902


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Alice Jane Kirton Name: Alice Jane Kirton
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1901
Registration district: Castle Ward
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 367