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Thanks Kucinta. All contributions gratefully received!

The re-marriage for Lilian's mother, again, apologies if it's been posted already:

Name: Martha Emma Wass
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Age: 38
Spouse: William Batty
Spouse Age: 44
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Jul 1897
Parish: St Philip the Apostle, Camberwell
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: John Sage
Spouse Father: George Batty
Register Type: Parish Register

Apologies if the baptism for Lilian Mabel has already been posted:

Name: Lilian Mabel Wass
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 3 Jul 1891
Father's name: Charles Wass
Mother's name: Martha Emma Wass
Parish or Poor Law Union: Camberwell St Bartholomew
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Birthdate 21 April 1891

Father a commission???? can't read the end of the word.

Thanks Shirley. Yes Mary Bass in 1926 at Philip Road but she used Lilian Mary or Mary Lilian in those years. UNTIL - and here is the mystery - in 1932, 1933, 1934 and 1935 - there is no Lilian Mary or any other Lilian BUT an Ann Mary Bass who was his legal wife (nee Connor). Once she disappeared from the 1936 electoral register then back comes Lilian Marian who seems to like a change in her second christian name. What a mystery!!! Have a lovely CHristmas and thanks for all your help with one thing and another throughout the year.
regards
Jenny

Irene's birth is on FreeBMD

Births Dec 1914
BASS Irene Wass Camberwell 1d 1678

Got her death from FMP. But it's also on FreeBMD

Deaths Mar 1917
Bass Irene 2 Camberwell 1d 1333

Hello again. I only see three names on the 1939 census - Henry F Bass, Lilian Mabel Wass (Bass) and Ernest J Weaver. Where did you find the child Irene Bass please?
I don't know when this couple got together. The child Irene was born in WW 1 and I am not sure of which years Hen Fred was in the army. Could well have joined up in 1916?
There were a lot of Bass families around at that time. The birth cert could confirm and this is an option once I have a message from the granddaughter of Lilian Wass's sister. Thanks again.
Jen

worth looking at the 1939 records

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION (PREVIEW)
Bass Household
Camberwell, London, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) BIRTH YEAR
Lilian Mabel Wass (Bass) 1891>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Henry F Bass and 2 more people are on this record

note she is Lilian Mabel on here and the two surnames

ooo errrr did they have a kiddy????

Births Dec 1914
BASS Irene Wass Camberwell 1d 1678


Name: Irene Bass
Birth Date: abt 1915
Date of Registration: Mar 1917
Age at Death: 2
Registration district: Camberwell
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 1333

with Frederick Margrove at the same address in 1923


Name: Mary Lilian Bass
Year: 1923
County or Borough: Southwark
Ward or Division/Constituency: Camberwell
Street address: 27 Phillip Road

and Henry Frederick Bass and a William Alfred Baynhams

he died the following year

Name: Frederick Margrove
Birth Date: abt 1871
Date of Registration: Dec 1924
Age at Death: 53
Registration district: Camberwell
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 717

so this must be her

the birth though has her as Lilian Mabel

down as Mary Bass at 27 Phillip Road in 1926

Name: Mary Lilian Bass
Year: 1926
County or Borough: Southwark
Ward or Division/Constituency: Camberwell
Street address: 27 Philip Road

with Henry Frederick

her birth
Name: Lilian Mabel Wass
Registration Year: 1891
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Camberwell
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 990

Thanks Shirley. That must be her as she disappeared then from the electoral roll where she was living at 27 Philip Road Camberwell with Henry Frederick Bass. (He died Sept 1959) When the granddaughter replies to me she may be able to tell me if there was an actual marriage but I doubt it. Her grandmother was Clara the sister of Lilian and Maud. Maud died and left her husband a widower with a small son at the address - ie Frederick Margrove and his son James aged 5. I am on the brink here! Who this LIlianb person was has been bugging me for 5years now!

Best regards Jenny

Still with the family in 1911

Lilian Wass
[Lilian Batty]
Age in 1911: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: CAMBERWELL, London, England
Civil Parish: Camberwell
Search Photos: Search for 'Camberwell' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 2 Somerton Rd, Peckham Rye
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: LAYER ON
Registration district: Camberwell
Registration District Number: 27
Sub-registration district: Peckham South
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Piece: 2588
Household Members:
Name Age
William Batty 52
Martha Batty 51
Thomas Wass 22
Lilian Wass 19
Clara Wass 17
William Wass 14
Sidney Batty 10
Frederick Margrove 39son in law widower
Edith Margrove 10 daughter
James Margrove 5. Grandson



Name: Lilian Wass
Birth Date: abt 1891
Date of Registration: Sep 1958
Age at Death: 67
Registration district: Camberwell
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5c
Page: 190

So died before Henry

Wonder on this one its in the same area that Henry died
1901 census
Lilian M Wass
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: William Batty
Mother: Matha E Batty
Birth Place: Bermondsey
Civil Parish: Camberwell
Search Photos: Search for 'Camberwell' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: St Chrysostom
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 09
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 505
Folio: 90
Page Number: 52
Household schedule number: 280
Household Members:
Name Age
William Batty 49
Matha E Batty 42
Allie E Wass 20
Elizabeth E Wass 16
Thomas C Wass 12
Lilian M Wass 9
Clara Wass 7
William Wass 4
Sidney E Batty 3/12

Thanks to the 1939 census I have recently been contacted by a great niece of the Lilian M Bass I was asking about. However she was really Lilian M Wass and took Henry Frederick Bass's name. I hope to find out more very soon. Everything comes to those who wait eh? ;-)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1294010?page=0

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1294010

Maybe Mary Ann just moved in with someone else and assumed her new partners name just like Lilian Mary did?

Back to the task in hand!

I think this is the shipping record you refer to:

Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960

Name: Miss M BASS
Date of departure: 31 October 1912
Port of departure: London
Destination port: Napier
Destination country: New Zealand

Date of Birth:
Age:
Marital Status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: Maid
Notes:
Passenger recorded on:

Ship: MALWA
Official Number: 127543
Master's name: A Thompson
Steamship Line: Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Co
Where bound: Auckland, New Zealand
Square feet:
Registered tonnage: 5904
Passengers on voyage: 335

It looks like she was the maid to a Mrs Herrick.

No problem Jennifer :-)

If you go to the very first post on this thread and click "edit" then you can amend the heading to reflect your updated request, e.g. Mary Ann Bass in NZ

Oh - I see what you mean now. There is also a Lilian Mary Bass who lived with my uncle from the 1920's to his death in 1959 but this is not the same lady. I thought that a post with New Zealand in the headlines re Mary Ann Bass would maybe attract a GR member down under to assist. Thanks for your help. Jennifer