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think i will order Robert Gormall Rowlandson death certificate and hope that is the right one....loathed to spend £9.25 but think its the only way i will find out!

Thanks everyone for your help....again

Suzanne

Do you have anything on them after 1871, as I cannot find a trace. Is there any chance they emigrated??
Jan

hello,

Robert is living with his son William at 5 alice street (i think in the 1881 census)...his name is recorded as being Rawlinson. Defo him as his son is listed as being a French polisher and Robert as a warehouse man from leyland.

nothing however after the 1881 census for robert.

suzanne

Can this one in 1881 be discounted by somebody?? I know it doesnt quite match up, but we have seen all sorts of scenarios!

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Deborah ROWLINGSON (Head) ((Mother)) W Female 42 Barnardistan, Suffolk, England Ag Lab
Henry ROWLINGSON Son U Male 17 Gt Wratting, Suffolk, England Ag Lab
Charles ROWLINGSON Son U Male 15 Gt Wratting, Suffolk, England Ag Lab
George ROWLINGSON Son U Male 13 Gt Wratting, Suffolk, England Ag Lab
Laura ROWLINGSON Daur Female 7 Gt Wratting, Suffolk, England Scholar
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Source Information:
Dwelling Street
Census Place Great Wratting, Suffolk, England
Family History Library Film 1341441
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1822 / 76
Page Number 5

This was the marriage mentioned in 1863 :

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1863
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference

ROWLANDSON Robert G to JONES Catherine Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/45/308

Dea x

In case it helps:

Parents of Robert Gornall Rowlandson:

Marriage: 15 Jun 1830 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
Thomas Rowlandson - Bachelor of the Parish of Leyland
Ellen Gornal - Spinster of this Parish
Witness: Gavin? Baldwin; Anne Gornall
Married by Licence by: Roger Carus Wilson. Vicar
Notes: [Signature of Bride reads Gornall]
Register: Marriages 1829 - 1833, Page 138, Entry 139
Source: LDS Film 94014


Baptisms: 11 Oct 1833 St Andrew, Leyland, Lancashire, England
Robert Gomall Rowlandson - Son of Thomas Rowlandson & Ellen
Abode: Leyland
Occupation: Curate
Baptised by: Thos Rowlandson Curate
Register: Baptisms 1826 - 1837, Page 211, Entry 7
Source: LDS Film 93954

Siblings


Baptisms: 3 Mar 1831 St Andrew, Leyland, Lancashire, England
Mary Rowlandson - Daughter of Thomas Rowlandson & Ellen
Abode: Leyland
Occupation: Curate
Baptised by: Thos Rowlandson Curate
Register: Baptisms 1826 - 1837, Page 140, Entry 4
Source: LDS Film 93954

Baptisms: 3 Jun 1832 St Andrew, Leyland, Lancashire, England
Dorothy Rowlandson - Daughter of Thomas Rowlandson & Ellen
Abode: Leyland
Occupation: Clerk
Baptised by: Thos Rowlandson Curate
Register: Baptisms 1826 - 1837, Page 173, Entry 5
Source: LDS Film 93954

Baptisms: 16 Dec 1835 St Andrew, Longton, Lancashire, England
Agnes Rowlandson - dau of Thomas Rowlandson & Ellen
Abode: Longton
Occupation: Clerk
Baptised by: Thos. Rowlandson Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1838, Page 176, Entry 1401
Source: LDS Film 1278777

Baptisms: 1 Apr 1837 St Andrew, Longton, Lancashire, England
Thomas Rowlandson - son of Thomas Rowlandson & Ellen
Abode: Longton
Occupation: Clerk
Baptised by: Thos. Rowlandson Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1838, Page 187, Entry 1491
Source: LDS Film 1278777


Baptisms: 27 Jul 1843 St Andrew, Longton, Lancashire, England
William Henry Rowlandson - Son of Thomas Rowlandson & Ellen
Abode: Longton
Occupation: Clerk
Baptised by: Thos. Rowlandson Curate
Register: Baptisms 1839 - 1889, Page 20, Entry 158
Source: LDS Film 1278777

Baptisms: 31 Jul 1844 St John the Evangelist, Whittle-le-Woods, Lancashire, England
Charles Heber Rowlandson - son of Thomas Rowlandson & Ellen
Abode: Whittle le Woods
Occupation: Clerk
Baptised by: Thos Rowlandson Minister
Register: Baptisms 1843 - 1845 taken from the Bishop's Transcripts, Entry 684
Source: LDS Film 150245


This is the family of Robert Gornall Rowlandson on 1841:

1841 England Census
about Robert Rowlandson Name: Robert Rowlandson
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Penwortham
Hundred: Leyland
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Preston
Sub-registration district: Longton
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 527
Book: 4
Folio: 8
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Rowlandson 40
Ellen Rowlandson 35
Dora Rowlandson 9
Robert Rowlandson 7
Agnes Rowlandson 5
Thomas Rowlandson 4

at The Parsonage

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 527; Book: 4; Civil Parish: Penwortham; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 7; Folio: 8; Page: 8; Line: 15; GSU roll: 306913.


I will take a further look in a little while

Dea x

Well, this looks like the Catherine Jones who Robert married in 1863 - she is marked as married but there is no 'husband' present ??

It is looking more likely that Robert Gornall Rowlandson could be 'your man' ??

1871 England Census
about Catherine Rowlandson Name: Catherine Rowlandson
[Catherine Jones]
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Jones
Mother's name: Eleaner Jones
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool
Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cleopas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Household schedule number: 226
Piece: 3801
Folio: 59
Page Number: 47
Household Members: Name Age
John Jones 60 Book keeper
Eleaner Jones 58
Catherine Rowlandson 28 Laundress.
John S Jones 22
Elward Jones 19
Stephen G Jones 17
Henry H Jones 14
Edward Woods 32
Eleanor Woods 3


Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3801; Folio: 59; Page: 47; GSU roll: 841904.


Dea x

HANG ON !!!

I have just seen your post about the '81 at 5 Alice Street.

If this is 'your' Robert, he is NOT the 'Robert Gornall' one !!! - The occupation is all wrong !!

1881 Census transcription details for: 5, Alice Street, West Derby
National Archive Reference:
RG number RG11
Piece: 3705
Folio: 26
Page: 1
Reg. District: West Derby
Sub District: West Derby (Municipal)
Parish: West Derby
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 5, Alice Street, West Derby
County: Lancashire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
LENNON, Mary Head Widow F 60 1821 Laundres Ireland
LENNON, Margret Daughter Single F 26 1855 Laundres Ireland

RAWLINSON, Robert Head Married M 48 1833 Cotton Werehouseman (Db) Layland, Lancashire
RAWLINSON, William H Son Single M 20 1861 French Polisher Liverpool, Lancashire

ALEXANDRA, Mary Head Married F 31 1850 Domestic Serv Retton, Norfolk
ALEXANDRA, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 8 1873 Schollar Retton, Norfolk

Dea x

On 1871 when he is with Deborah he is a'Shipping Clerk' and before that a Merchant's Clerk, which seems to fit well with Robert Gornall, However, the one you have on 1881 is a Cotton Warehouseman - a more 'lowly' position ?? AND the names are different ?

I really don't think that it is the same 'Robert' ?

What have you got to prove that the 1881 census is him please?

Dea x

Hello Dea,

The 1881 census is defo correct as mr GGG grandfather was a French Polisher and on the marriage certificate of William Henry and Annie Bird the occupation of himself and his father are correct and the address is Alice Street, so I know those details are right. On the birth certificate of William his mother is stated as Deborah Peelow and his father as Robert Rowlinson, merchants clerk....as Robert is listed on the 1881 as being born in Leyland the same as the 1871 and 1861 census and the year of birth is the same as Robert Gornall Rowlandson. Seems too much of a coincidence that it isnt the same person.


Suzanne

Hello Dea,

Just another thought. on the wedding banns that were read at St Stephens the names are Robert Rawlandson and Deborah Peelow, again a different spelling than on the birth certificate.

Do you think he could have fallen on hard times and hence the change in occupation?

Suzanne

Do you have an Ancestry sub Suzanne?

Dea x

only a free one at the moment for 2 weeks.....like robert i have fallen on hard times! :-)

Any ideas what i should be searching?

Suzanne

There is a private tree on there - the owner is JW13055 - this person seems to have all the family members on it who we have been following.

I suggest you contact them and see if they can give you any info on Robert Gornall Rowlandson.

I am also acquainted with someone who doing a one name study on the Gornall family and has information on the Gornall family going back to the 1600's and probably beyond as it is a few years since we were in touch.

She is NOT a 'name collector' who just adds on any name to her tree even though it is not connected. - All her information is thoroughly researched and 'proven' !

I will contact her in the morning and see if she has anything useful.

Speak soon - nite night now,

Dea x

Thank you that would be brill.

night

suzanne

Have sent an e-mail to my lady. - Did you make contact with the person on Ancestry ??

Dea Xxx

Dont know how i do that. do i need to key in their reference somewhere?

Suzanne

I will tell you in the morning !!

Nite nite - sorry I am a granny now and so have to go to bed !!

Dea Xxx

Hello Dea.....have contacted them.... i will let you know if i get a response

suzanne

Hi Suzanne,

I have heard from my 'contact' re the Gornalls and she is looking into it for us.

In the meantime, you have said:

"On the 1861 census Deborah is listed as being single and living with her son"

I can't see them? - Can you give me the census reference please, or post the census, or tell me what names they are using please as I would like to take a look at it?

Thanks,

Dea x