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Thank you for all this information. It's going to take a while to sort it out, but FH is about the Long Haul not the Short Fix! Thank you everyone for your time and patience.

Thought you'd pasted your fingers to the keyboard for a minute there Ann

:-D ;-)

I enjoy it - at least we could see the Normandy connection

Thank you again, Ann. I'm now flooded with information. It will take me quite a while to sort everything (I found through another contact that there is a large amount of data at Rootsweb) and I shall have a good time working my way through. I am so grateful.

Pauline

name: William /Zouche/
gender: Male
birth: 1431
Harringworth, ENG
death: 15 JAN 1467/68
Harringworth, ENG+
TITL Lord Zouche


Parents
father: William la /Zouche/
mother: Alice /St. Maur/

Marriages (2)
spouse: Katherine /Lenthall/
marriage: 1452
Harringworth, ENG
Hide children (4)

child 1: Margaret la /Zouche/
gender: Female
BIRTH ABT 1457
?; of Harringworth, ENG

child 2: Elizabeth la /Zouche/
gender: Female
BIRTH ABT 1455
?; of Harringworth, ENG

child 3: John la /Zouche/
gender: Male
BIRTH 1459
Harringsworth, ENG
DEATH MAR 1525/26
Harringsworth, ENG+
TITL Lord Zouche

child 4: William la /Zouche/
gender: Male
BIRTH ABT 1453
?; of Harringworth, ENG

spouse: Katherine /Plumpton/
marriage: 1461
Harringworth, ENG

???

name: Edward /Zouche/
gender: Male
birth: ABT 1560


Marriages (1)
spouse: Sarah /Harrington/
marriage: 11 Aug 1613
, Leicester, England [1]

no probs Pauline - I tend to get carried away - not far enough I hear some cry ;-)

anyway, what's the details of the furthest back you have got and I'll try to move back from there!!!

Ivy, thank you also for suggesting these other sources. If I'm very lucky I might find some connection through them. Had I still been mobile I would have made many trips to Kew and probably Ashby and other places they were connected with. As it is, my research has to be on-line and I rely on good people like yourselves to put suggestions my way. These are lovely RAKs (random act of kindness) and even though you are not looking for help, there may be others where I can return the favours.

Pauline

Thank you Ann for your efforts. However, (not to be ungrateful) it's really the gap between 1490 and the latest of those you have listed, which I think is a death in 1351 or thereabouts, so there are still 100+ years adrift.. There is always the possibility that the name for my line came about through working for the de la Zouch/ /la Zouch/ Zouch family, and unless I can break through I guess I shall never know.

Thank you for your efforts on my behalf. I am most grateful. You have helped me many times before and I do appreciate your efforts.

Pauline

You might also find this site useful for outlining the types of sources you can use, and how to access them. The Guide:

http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/guide/guide.shtml

is undated, but the "what's new" section was last updated in December 2011.

The National Archives have launched a new search engine "Discovery" - see
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/search/advanced-search

with search criteria that are similar to those now in general use.

Putting in just "Zouch", and choosing a date range from just before John's possible birth of 1450 to 100 years later (so as to catch any wills etc), achieves 151 hits.

An interesting one is the second hit, a case dating from 1515 to 1518, between the parties "Cicely Zouch (Sowche), daughter of John, late Lord Zouch v James Fitzjames and James Gilbert". The defendants were the surviving executors of the late Lord Zouch and the plaintiff's case is that they had refused to assign her lands in Northamptonshire left to her by her father.

It is these types of cases that often offer the richest source of genealogical information for the periods before the 1550s.

However, I see from this site:

http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/ZOUCHE.htm

that Cicely's siblings do not include a Henry Zouch.

name: Stephen /De Longespee/
gender: Male
birth: ABT 1216
Wilts,England
death: 1260


Marriages (1)
spouse: Emaline /De Ridlelisford/ , Countess
Show children (1)

name: Ela /Longespee/
gender: Female
birth: ABT 1244
death: 19 Jul 1276


Parents
father: Stephen /De Longespee/
mother: Emaline /De Ridlelisford/ , Countess

Marriages (1)
spouse: Roger /La Zouche/

name: Isabel /Bois/
gender: Female
birth: ABT 1256
of,WestonInArden,Warwickshire,England
AFN: 9R33-TW

name: John LOVELL /BARON LOVELL/ of Titchmarsh
gender: Male
birth: ABT 1254
of,WestonInArden,Warwickshire,England
AFN: 9R33-SQ

Marriages (1)
spouse: Isabel /Bois/ (AFN: 9R33-TW )
Hide children (1)

child 1: Maud LOVELL /BARONESS ZOUCHE/ (AFN: 9431-NR )
gender: Female
BIRTH 1280
of,Weston In Arden,Warwickshire,England
CHRISTENING of,Thorpe Arnold,Leicestershire,England
DEATH BEF 1346

name: Maud LOVELL /BARONESS ZOUCHE/
gender: Female
birth: 1280
of,Weston In Arden,Warwickshire,England
christening: of,Thorpe Arnold,Leicestershire,England
death: BEF 1346
AFN: 9431-NR

Parents
father: John LOVELL /BARON LOVELL/ of Titchmarsh (AFN: 9R33-SQ )
mother: Isabel /Bois/ (AFN: 9R33-TW )

Marriages (1)
spouse: William La ZOUCHE/BARON ZOUCHE/ (AFN: 9R31-ML )
marriage: BEF 15 Feb 1295/1296
of,Winchester,Hampshire,England
Hide children (1)

child 1: Eudes or Eon La/ZOUCHE/ (AFN: 9R31-J3 )
gender: Male
BIRTH 1297/1298
of,Harringworth,Northamptonshire,England
DEATH 24 Apr 1326
Paris,Seine,France
BURIAL 27 Apr 1326
AugustineFriars,Paris,Seine,France

name: William La ZOUCHE/BARON ZOUCHE/
gender: Male
birth: 21 Dec 1276
Harringworth,Northamptonshire,England
death: 11 Mar 1351/1352
AFN: 9R31-ML

Marriages (1)
spouse: Maud LOVELL /BARONESS ZOUCHE/ (AFN: 9431-NR )
marriage: BEF 15 Feb 1295/1296
of,Winchester,Hampshire,England
Hide children (1)

child 1: Eudes or Eon La/ZOUCHE/ (AFN: 9R31-J3 )
gender: Male
BIRTH 1297/1298
of,Harringworth,Northamptonshire,England
DEATH 24 Apr 1326
Paris,Seine,France
BURIAL 27 Apr 1326
AugustineFriars,Paris,Seine,France

name: Eudes or Eon La/ZOUCHE/
gender: Male
birth: 1297/1298
of,Harringworth,Northamptonshire,England
death: 24 Apr 1326
Paris,Seine,France
burial: 27 Apr 1326
AugustineFriars,Paris,Seine,France
AFN: 9R31-J3

Parents
father: William La ZOUCHE/BARON ZOUCHE/ (AFN: 9R31-ML )
mother: Maud LOVELL /BARONESS ZOUCHE/ (AFN: 9431-NR )

Marriages (2)
spouse: Joan /INGE/ (AFN: B6DW-V6 )
marriage: BEF Jun 1322
of,,England
Hide children (1)

child 1: William La ZOUCHE/BARON ZOUCHE/ (AFN: 9R34-LT )
gender: Male
BIRTH 25 Dec 1321
of,Harringworth,Northamptonshire,England
CHRISTENING Baron,ZOUCHE,of Haryngworth
DEATH 23 Apr 1382

BURIAL Biddlesden Abbey,Buckinghamshire,England

spouse: Melissente De /BRAOSE/ (AFN: 8RQG-D4 )
marriage: AFT 1333
of,Winchester,Hampshire,England

name: William La ZOUCHE/BARON ZOUCHE/
gender: Male
birth: 25 Dec 1321
of,Harringworth,Northamptonshire,England
christening: Baron,ZOUCHE,of Haryngworth
death: 23 Apr 1382
burial: Biddlesden Abbey,Buckinghamshire,England
AFN: 9R34-LT

Parents
father: Eudes or Eon La/ZOUCHE/ (AFN: 9R31-J3 )
mother: Joan /INGE/ (AFN: B6DW-V6 )

Marriages (1)
spouse: Elizabeth De ROS/BARONESS ZOUCHE/ (AFN: 9R34-M1 )
marriage: 16 Jul 1334
of,Harringworth,Northamptonshire,England
Hide children (1)

child 1: William II LA ZOUCHE /BARON ZOUCHE/ (AFN: 9R34-CM )
gender: Male
BIRTH 1341
of,Harringworth,Northamptonshire,England
CHRISTENING Baron,Zouche of,Haryngworth
DEATH 13 May 1396

BURIAL Harringworth,Northamptonshire,England

name: William II LA ZOUCHE /BARON ZOUCHE/
gender: Male
birth: 1341
of,Harringworth,Northamptonshire,England
christening: Baron,Zouche of,Haryngworth
death: 13 May 1396
burial: Harringworth,Northamptonshire,England
AFN: 9R34-CM

Parents
father: William La ZOUCHE/BARON ZOUCHE/ (AFN: 9R34-LT )
mother: Elizabeth De ROS/BARONESS ZOUCHE/ (AFN: 9R34-M1 )

Marriages (2)
spouse: Agnes DE GREENE /BARONESS ZOUCHE/ (AFN: 9R34-DS )
marriage: 27 Oct 1351
,,England
Show children (2)

child 1: Eleanor /ZOUCHE/ (AFN: 9R34-JH )
gender: Female
BIRTH ABT 1366
of,Haryngworth,Northamptonshire,England

child 2: William III /BARON ZOUCHE/ (AFN: 9R34-6R )
gender: Male
BIRTH 1373
of,Harringworth,Northamptonshire,England
CHRISTENING Baron Zouche of,Haryngworth
DEATH 3 Nov 1415


spouse: Elizabeth DESPENCER /BARONESS ARUNDEL/ (AFN: 9FG2-NC )
marriage: 28 Apr 1393