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Percy Howard Family

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Lima100

Lima100 Report 3 Jun 2012 06:26

Yes I think that is the case. They seem to have been going back and forth betweeen the UK and States. Had forgotten you had found them in the 1910 US census. I was getting ahead of myself!.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 2 Jun 2012 23:22

Why would they be on the English 1911 census when I've already posted them earlier today on the US 1910 census as a family?

Possible that all of the transatlantic trips haven't been found.

patchem

patchem Report 2 Jun 2012 22:59

MarieCeleste has already posted this:
1911
SMITH, Frank George Head Married M 61 1850 Mainlayer And Smith Basingstoke Heath
SMITH, Charlotte Wife Married39 years F 59 1852 Chesfield Hants
SMITH, Henry Son Single M 30 1881 Labour Hartle Wintney Herts
SMITH, Florence Daughter Single F 24 1887 Ironer Soham Cambs
WATSON, Dasy Daughter Married1 years F 21 1890 Packer Soham Cambs
SMITH, Frank Grandson M 5 1906 School Guildford Surrey
WATSON, Alfred Son In Law Married M 25 1886 Telephonecable Jointer Morgate Kent
SMITH, Annie Daughter Single F 17 1894 Calendar Hand Soham Cambs
REEVES, Corace Boarder Single F 21 1890 Ironer Morgate Kent
MEASURE, Henry Boarder Married M 40 1871 Athphatle Workers Southwark London
HARVEY, Albert Henry Boarder Married M 65 1846 Bricklayer And Athphatle Workers Southsea Hants

RG number: RG14 Piece: 3073 Reference: RG14PN3073 RG78PN110 RD33 SD4 ED7 SN253

Registration District: Guildford
Sub District: Guildford Enumeration District: 7
Parish: Guildford
Address: 6 Lea Pale Road Guildford County: Surrey

Lima100

Lima100 Report 2 Jun 2012 22:51

Ive found a couple of photos that I think are May and Arthur. I think Percy and May came back to her parents in Guildford to have Arthur in 1907/8. There is an Arthur Stanley Howard born in Guildford in September 1908 but dont know mothers maiden name. Percy had already gone back to the USA by then June 1908.
Could someone please look up the 1911 census for The Smith family in Guildford. Frank and Charlotte. I think May and Arthur will be residing their also. They then went back to Percy in USA in 1912. Dont know what happened after that.

Lima100

Lima100 Report 2 Jun 2012 21:39

I have a photo of Percy, wife ( ! assume} either young boy or girl plus another couple taken on holiday. Postcard says Niaggra Falls Souvenir. On the card it says Arthur is not here as we could not take him. No date on the card. Now I know who Arthur is I think there are some photos of him too.

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 2 Jun 2012 20:31

Any other letters postcards?

Maureen

Lima100

Lima100 Report 2 Jun 2012 19:48

Will do. Thanks for your time and effort.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 2 Jun 2012 19:24

I'd be inclined to get a copy of that New York marriage

http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/vitalrecords/marriage.shtml

Lima100

Lima100 Report 2 Jun 2012 19:06

Nice one!!! Couldn't find an Uncle Frank or Aunty Annie in my tree though. Lots of other names.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 2 Jun 2012 18:51

Just to put a spanner in the works!!

1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Percy Howard
Age in 1910: 34 [24]
Birth Year: abt 1886 [1886]
Birthplace: England
Home in 1910: Lynn Ward 7, Essex, Massachusetts
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1906
Relation to Head of House: Nephew
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Neighbors:

Household Members:
Name Age
Frank W Howard 44
Annie Howard 41
Edith Howard 14
Grace Howard 10 [13]
Albert Howard 8
Frank Howard 8
Bernice Howard 5
Percy Howard 34 [24]

He's a clerk - same as your Percy was in 1901.

Lima100

Lima100 Report 2 Jun 2012 18:27

Don't quite know the way from here? Certainly some info to be going on with.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 2 Jun 2012 18:03

I know what you mean about the occupations Maureen, perhaps sales weren't going well.

I guess a copy of that 1907 marriage certificate would be useful.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 2 Jun 2012 18:01

That would be this couple in 1920:

1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Percy Howard
Age: 39
Birth Year: abt 1881
Birthplace: England
Home in 1920: Kansas City Ward 2, Jackson, Missouri
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Lillian Howard
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Home Owned: Rent
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors:

Household Members:
Name Age
Percy Howard 39 - Foreman, construction
Lillian Howard 23
Robert Hollaway 39
Viola Hollaway 25

Lima100

Lima100 Report 2 Jun 2012 17:59

I'm not too sure about that one either. Wonder what happened to little Arthur and mother May?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 2 Jun 2012 17:54

I'm not 100% sure about this:

1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Percy Howard
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1882
Birthplace: England - London
Race: White
Home in 1930: St Louis, St Louis (Independent City), Missouri

Marital Status: Married
Immigration Year: 1905
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Lillian Howard
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Occupation: Custodian (School)
Education:
Military Service:
Rent/home value: $7,000 (owned)
Age at first marriage: 35 (oh yeah?)
Parents' birthplace: England

Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Percy Howard 48
Lillian Howard 32, born Missouri. Married at 20.

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 2 Jun 2012 17:47

I don't know...
He arrives as a single salesman-marries and turns into a concrete foreman/ (hydro?) engineer?

Devil's advocate.... :-D

Maureen

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 2 Jun 2012 17:32

Looks like Percy's marriage:

Howard Percy May 26 1907 Queens 500 H630
Smith May May 26 1907 Queens 500 S530

Lima100

Lima100 Report 2 Jun 2012 17:31

Well that is interesting. Didnt know he came back to the UK at all. But then I have no one to ask! Wonder what happened to Little Arthur. Wonder if May comes from Guildford?
Edit - You beat me to it! Was her name Smith then. Percy Howard married May Smith in the States?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 2 Jun 2012 17:30

So this must be Percy's wife's family:

SMITH, Frank George Head Married M 61 1850 Mainlayer And Smith Basingstoke Heath
SMITH, Charlotte Wife Married39 years F 59 1852 Chesfield Hants
SMITH, Henry Son Single M 30 1881 Labour Hartle Wintney Herts
SMITH, Florence Daughter Single F 24 1887 Ironer Soham Cambs
WATSON, Dasy Daughter Married1 years F 21 1890 Packer Soham Cambs
SMITH, Frank Grandson M 5 1906 School Guildford Surrey
WATSON, Alfred Son In Law Married M 25 1886 Telephonecable Jointer Morgate Kent
SMITH, Annie Daughter Single F 17 1894 Calendar Hand Soham Cambs
REEVES, Corace Boarder Single F 21 1890 Ironer Morgate Kent
MEASURE, Henry Boarder Married M 40 1871 Athphatle Workers Southwark London
HARVEY, Albert Henry Boarder Married M 65 1846 Bricklayer And Athphatle Workers Southsea Hants

RG number: RG14 Piece: 3073 Reference: RG14PN3073 RG78PN110 RD33 SD4 ED7 SN253
Registration District: Guildford
Sub District: Guildford
Enumeration District: 7
Parish: Guildford

Address: 6 Lea Pale Road Guildford County: Surrey

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 2 Jun 2012 17:27

Maureen, I know it's in NJ but the American immigration clerks obviously didn't (had Sinatra been born by then?)

This trip for Percy provides the connection:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Percy Howard
Arrival Date: 24 Jun 1908
Birth Year: abt 1882
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: london
Age: 26
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/RaceĀ­/Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Southampton
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Oceanic

He's some sort of engineer and he's been staying at 6 Lea Pale Road, Guildford.